X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:30:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ironport5.liveoakmail.com ([216.110.12.21] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTP id 1876224 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:06:09 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.110.12.21; envelope-from=walter@advancedpilot.com Received: from rs5.liveoakhosting.com (HELO secure5.liveoakhosting.com) ([64.49.254.21]) by ironport5.liveoakmail.com with ESMTP; 01 Mar 2007 09:05:21 -0600 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAPN55kVAMf4VeWdsb2JhbACDJowAAgkOKpVzAQEB X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,234,1170655200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="4886729:sNHT50252566" Received: (qmail 28779 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2007 09:05:21 -0600 Received: from 216-107-97-170.wan.networktel.net (HELO ?10.0.1.3?) (216.107.97.170) by rs5.liveoakhosting.com with (AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 1 Mar 2007 09:05:21 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--966697788 X-Original-Message-Id: <09F434C1-4562-41DB-BEEE-21887D1092D8@advancedpilot.com> From: Walter Atkinson Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Stupid Pilot, stupid people-- I know the guy who drove into Lake Powell X-Original-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:05:14 -0600 X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) --Apple-Mail-1--966697788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed John: While I agree with the vast majority of what you posted, the paragraph below is not supported by the volume of data that Doug Ritter at "Equipped to Survive" has compiled. The vast majority of ditchings do, in fact, result in the people surviving the ditching. As you correctly point out, however, many drown after having survived the ditching, essentially unhurt. That's what the data shows. I encourage everyone to become familiar with Doug Ritter's work. Among it is the reality that you will leave the airplane with nothing but what's in your pockets at the time. The life raft, life jackets, survival gear, etc., that are in the baggage compartment or on the floor behind the pilot's seat will go to the bottom with the airplane. That, too, is supported by the hard data. Walter On Feb 28, 2007, at 11:46 PM, marv@lancair.net wrote: In spite of what the airliners tell you about a water landing, very few people actually survive. In most small planes, everyone's spines snap just above the pelvis as the lower seat belt holds them back against the seat and as their upper bodies move violently forward as the plane skips and bounces across the surface of the water. Everyone dies. Even at speeds as low as 90, most spines get snapped. If they survive the "landing," the cold water gets 'em. Time of Useful Consciousness (TUC) is only minutes. 30 minutes after a cold water incident, search and rescue goes into recover mode. --Apple-Mail-1--966697788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 John:

While I agree with the vast = majority of what you posted, the paragraph below is not supported by the = volume of data that Doug Ritter at "Equipped to Survive" has compiled.=A0 = The vast majority of ditchings do, in fact, result in the people = surviving the ditching.=A0 As you correctly point out, however, many = drown after having survived the ditching, essentially unhurt.=A0 That's = what the data shows.=A0 I encourage everyone to become familiar with = Doug Ritter's work.=A0 Among it is the reality that you will leave the = airplane with nothing but what's in your pockets at the time.=A0 The = life raft, life jackets, survival gear, etc., that are in the baggage = compartment or on the floor behind the pilot's seat will go to the = bottom with the airplane.=A0 That, too, is supported by the hard = data.

Walter


On Feb 28, = 2007, at 11:46 PM, marv@lancair.net wrote:

In spite of what the airliners tell you about a water = landing, very few
people actually survive. In most small = planes, everyone's spines snap just
above the pelvis as = the lower seat belt holds them back against the seat and
as their upper bodies move violently forward as the plane = skips and bounces
across the surface of the water. Everyone = dies. Even at speeds as low as
90, most spines get = snapped. If they survive the "landing," the cold water
gets 'em. Time of Useful Consciousness (TUC) is only = minutes. 30 minutes
after a cold water incident, search and = rescue goes into recover = mode.

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