X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:00:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.208] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTP id 1875093 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:43:13 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.138.208; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id q.cd6.a18542f (48624) for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:42:10 -0500 (EST) From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:42:10 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Stupid Pilot, stupid people X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1172709730" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5036 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1172709730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/28/2007 9:29:20 AM Central Standard Time, colyncase@earthlink.net writes: It has perhaps nothing to do with the cirrus airframe but it has everything to do with Cirrus the company. They market to non-pilots. ...and although their pilot/owner organization seems pro-active on training issues I'm not sure it's the right message at point of sale. Colyn, All the Cirrus crashes occurred with certificated pilots onboard -- so I do not see how people who learn to fly that have an accident in a Cirrus is caused by "marketing". All of us that fly and own aircraft have been the subject of someone's marketing efforts. We are here because of Lancair's marketing efforts. Some of the Cirrus accident pilots are very high time and some are low time. Cirrus is doing a great job of advancing the new techologies that make aircraft safer (CAPS parachute, airbags, onboard datalink, high G seats, etc.) Naturally many customers want these products. Cirrus is also involved with changing training and giving scenario based training to its customers via its partners at University of North Dakota and Jeppesen. They lead the industry in their efforts to produce better trained pilots. The aircraft is not difficult to fly-- in fact it is much easier that a IVP--but in spite of Cirrus's best efforts some people will disregard the best training and best advice you can give them. Why? Can you teach an old dog new tricks? Can you lead a horse to water and make it drink? Regards, Jeff Edwards LIVP N619SJ.

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In a message dated 2/28/2007 9:29:20 AM Central Standard Time,=20 colyncase@earthlink.net writes:

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It has perhaps nothing to do with the cirrus airframe but it has=20 everything to do with Cirrus the company. They market to=20 non-pilots. ...and although their pilot/owner organization see= ms=20 pro-active on training issues I'm not sure it's the right message at point= of=20 sale.

Colyn,

All the Cirrus crashes occurred with certificated pilots onboard -- so=20= I do=20 not see how people who learn to fly that have an accident in a Cirrus is cau= sed=20 by "marketing". All of us that fly and own aircraft have been the subject of= =20 someone's marketing efforts. We are here because of Lancair's marketing=20 efforts.

Some of the Cirrus accident pilots are very high time and some are low=20 time. Cirrus is doing a great job of advancing the new techologies that make= =20 aircraft safer (CAPS parachute, airbags, onboard datalink, high G seats, etc= .)=20 Naturally many customers want these products. Cirrus is also involved with=20 changing training and giving scenario based training to its customers via it= s=20 partners at University of North Dakota and Jeppesen. They lead the industry=20= in=20 their efforts to produce better trained pilots.

The aircraft is not difficult to fly-- in fact it is much easier t= hat=20 a IVP--but in spite of Cirrus's best efforts some people will disregard the=20= best=20 training and best advice you can give them. Why? Can you teach an old dog ne= w=20 tricks? Can you lead a horse to water and make it drink?

Regards,

Jeff Edwards

LIVP N619SJ.

AOL now=20= offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at=20= AOL.com.

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