X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 40 [XX] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:43:49 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail1.hometel.com ([204.13.112.10] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.5) with ESMTPS id 1806548 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:18:48 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.13.112.10; envelope-from=marknlisa@hometel.com Received: (qmail 51020 invoked by uid 0); 2 Feb 2007 15:21:06 -0000 Received: from 208.65.125.160-dsl.stj.hometel.com (HELO Main) (208.65.125.160) by mail1.hometel.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2007 15:21:06 -0000 From: "Mark Sletten" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: Subject: Re: Wing positive pressure X-Original-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:17:48 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <01f501c746dd$4c6df5e0$0302a8c0@Main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 thread-index: AcdGuf4j6SujJb1iRZuUUqgl9mbCXAAH83jw In-Reply-To: Ladies and Gents, All Paul is saying is that to view lower pressure on the top surface of the upper wing skin as *PULLING UP* on the wing is wrong. It's more accurate to say the higher pressure air inside the wing is *PUSHING UP* on it (the upper wing skin) as regards the forces necessary to fly. In other words, there's no such thing as suction force -- vacuum doesn't generate force. It isn't the vacuum that causes a can to collapse as the air is evacuated from within, it's the ambient pressure of the surrounding air that does so. The force required to crush the can comes not from the vacuum, but from the surrounding air. Another poster has already suggested the idea that deflected air, rather than pressure differential, produces lift... Now there's an argument still waging among the true geniuses among aerodynamicists! I had a great deal of difficulty understanding the idea of lift (to my satisfaction at least, there is argument that no one *COMPLETELY* understands it as yet) until I read Wolfgang Langewiesche's masterpiece "Stick and Rudder." http://www.pilotsbooks.com/stick_rudder.htm If you haven't read this book, I highly recommend it. It is arguably the most complete description -- in easy to understand laymen's terms -- of how and why a wing produces lift, and how a pilot can best control it. Mark Sletten