Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.2) with ESMTP id 1021240 for rob@logan.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 01:45:30 -0500 Received: from out003pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.103]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:25:41 -0500 Received: from GCasey (calnet31-66.gtecablemodem.com [207.175.254.66]) by out003pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g07FQu222196 Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:26:56 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: "Gary Casey" To: Subject: FADEC Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:25:29 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020107054331.AAA17794@pop3.olsusa.com> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>3) The fuel rail-mixture system is a direct imitation from the automotive world. a) Unlike a car, an aircraft spends about 98% of its time at some RPM at or above 2300 RPM. b) A fast acting solenoid valve pulses ON/OFF the fuel to each injector. c) At low RPM, this pulsed action is "sequential", that is, it is "timed" to begin pulsing somewhat before the corresponding intake valve opens and to continue pulsing until sometime before the intake valve closes. d) Typically, in all of these solenoid fuel rail systems, at higher RPM, i.e., 2300, the solenoid is not fast enough to do this effectively, and the system forgets about the "sequential" concept, and just uses the pulsing valve to control the total amount of fuel, becoming a very complex imitation of the existing system.... i.e., a continuous flow port injection system, that we are all already flying with. e) The consequences of c & d are that the only time this very complex system does you much good with respect to "smoothness" of operation, is when the engine is starting and at taxi speeds.<< I agree, George, with most of the comments above. However, imitating Automotive technology isn't necessarily bad - it just might not apply. The sequential injection scheme primarily improves emissions and air/fuel distribution at light loads and low speeds as you have suggested. At higher loads the pulse width gets longer and at higher speeds the open time of the injector starts to overlap the valve event (injecting into an open valve is "bad" in that a greater portion of the fuel will not have time to evaporate and mix with the charge). In fact, most systems are designed to run at about 80% open time at full speed/load. Therefore you can expect the operation to be essentially the same as for a continuous flow system, just as George said. The injectors don't "pulse" during the opening, however - they are opened once per engine cycle and remain open for the length of time necessary to deliver the desired quantity of fuel. This is an exact copy of an automotive fuel system, and it works quite well. As to the 2300 rpm "decision point" that is a function of the calibration, not the concept of the system. A FADEC takes the engine management away from the operator and puts it into the controller - you don't have a choice about LOP, ROP and all the other things we talk about all the time. How well it works depends on the people that decide for you how the engine will be set up. They could do it right and everyone will be happy or they could make a compromise some of us won't be happy with. I can't comment on the decisions they made - George might have better insight into the calibration decisions they made. Gary Casey ES project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>