X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:57:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.4) with ESMTP id 1406013 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:07:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.139.137; envelope-from=JIMRHER@aol.com Received: from JIMRHER@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id q.579.529e622 (39954) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:07:00 -0400 (EDT) From: JIMRHER@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <579.529e622.323d8934@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:07:00 EDT Subject: [LML] Backfires LOP X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1158426420" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5324 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1158426420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en =20 Rick asked;=20 Jim, =20 I=E2=80=99ve seen many pictures of your plane =E2=80=93 beautiful. =20 Thank you for the compliment.=20 Any data on the (nominal) LOP CHT=E2=80=99s associated with the cylinders t= hat=20 failed?=20 On the first set of cylinders I had to run LOP because my CHT's would go=20 over 400F very easily. So climbing to FL250 I had to use HI Boost on the fu= el=20 pump to keep the hottest CHT below 420F, when level I would get the CHT's d= own=20 to 390+- and could pull 32.5 mp at 2500 rpm. I was getting bragging rights=20 airspeeds and using 18 gph. But that did the cylinders in at 215 hrs.=20 How many degrees LOP? My understanding is that more lean is generally=20 better (i.e. cooler) =E2=80=93 at least on the margin (i.e. you=E2=80=99re=20= best to be either rich=20 enough or lean enough. Peak is square is the red box)=20 I found that when going LOP I used 1640F TIT as my setting guide after=20 testing for peak TIT which was 1690F on #2 turbo. The #1 turbo was less. Th= is was=20 about 50F LOP on EGT's also. I will say that I didn't have GAMI injectors b= ut=20 my fuel flow spread was very close and it ran perfect even if I leaned to=20 1620F. All Temps were just as GAMI advertised which is why I would add the=20= last=20 1 in. of mp after everything was settled down in cruise. What I didn't pay=20 much attention to was EGT while LOP which was TOO HIGH at 1550F, in my humb= le=20 opinion. If anyone wants my opinion it is that the exhaust valves on the=20 TSIO-550E can not cool themselves enough while LOP even when power is back=20= to=20 28/2400 because it is still at 1550F EGT and that makes the exhaust valve s= o hot=20 that the valve seat has to be wide and perfect to take all the heat ouf of=20 the valve head, or the heat goes up the stem and burns the oil off the stem= =20 therefore wearing the stem and guide very fast. My second set of cylinders=20= had=20 stem and guides wore beyond limits at 82 hrs and I hadn't gone LOP for the=20 first 40 hrs and then maybe half the time for the next 42 hrs. This is the=20 mechanical fuse, so to speak, of the Continental engine, the exhaust valves= . Now=20 I run ROP and let the fuel save my exhaust valves and save money. I use abo= ut=20 4 or 5 gal. more on a 540 nm flight and go faster and quicker.=20 What engine monitor do you use?=20 Chelton Flight System. They used to have Peaks showing on all cylinders=20 which showed degrees down from peak. Current software changed that to Peaks= form=20 0 which is bad and I hope they change it back to the old system. What gives= ?=20 Rick=20 ES: TSIO-550 building=20 Jim Hergert L4P, N6XE (An Sexy) 409 hrs. -------------------------------1158426420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en

Rick=20 asked;

 

Jim,

I=E2=80= =99ve seen many=20 pictures of your plane =E2=80=93 beautiful.

Thank yo= u for the=20 compliment.

Any data= on the=20 (nominal) LOP CHT=E2=80=99s associated with the cylinders that failed?

On the first set of cylinde= rs I had=20 to run LOP because my CHT's would go over 400F very easily. So climbing= =20 to FL250 I had to use HI Boost on the fuel pump to keep the hottest CHT= =20 below 420F, when level I would get the CHT's down to 390+- and could pull 32= .5=20 mp at 2500 rpm. I was getting bragging rights airspeeds and using 18 gph. Bu= t=20 that did the cylinders in at 215 hrs.

How many= degrees=20 LOP?  My understanding is that more lean is generally better (i.e. cool= er)=20 =E2=80=93 at least on the margin (i.e. you=E2=80=99re best to be either rich= enough or lean=20 enough.  Peak is square is the red box)

I found that when going LOP= I used=20 1640F TIT as my setting guide after testing for peak TIT which was 1690F on=20= #2=20 turbo. The #1 turbo was less. This was about 50F LOP on EGT's also. I will s= ay=20 that I didn't have GAMI injectors but my fuel flow spread was very close and= it=20 ran perfect even if I leaned to 1620F. All Temps were just as GAMI advertise= d=20 which is why I would add the last 1 in. of mp after everything was settled d= own=20 in cruise. What I didn't pay much attention to was EGT while LOP which = was=20 TOO HIGH at 1550F, in my humble opinion. If anyone wants my opinion it is th= at=20 the exhaust valves on the TSIO-550E can not cool themselves enough whil= e=20 LOP even when power is back to 28/2400 because it is still at 1550F EGT and=20 that makes the exhaust valve so hot that the valve seat has to be=20= wide=20 and perfect to take all the heat ouf of the valve head, or the heat goe= s up=20 the stem and burns the oil off the stem therefore wearing the stem and=20 guide very fast. My second set of cylinders had stem and guides wore beyond=20 limits at 82 hrs and I hadn't gone LOP for the first 40 hrs and then maybe h= alf=20 the time for the next 42 hrs. This is the mechanical fuse, so to speak, of t= he=20 Continental engine, the exhaust valves. Now I run ROP and let the fuel save=20= my=20 exhaust valves and save money. I use about 4 or 5 gal. more on a 540 nm= =20 flight and go faster and quicker.

What eng= ine monitor=20 do you use?

Chelton Flight System. They= used to=20 have Peaks showing on all cylinders which showed degrees down from peak. Cur= rent=20 software changed that to Peaks form 0 which is bad and I hope they change it= =20 back to the old system. What gives?

Rick

ES: TSIO= -550=20 building

 
Jim Hergert
L4P, N6XE
(An Sexy)
409 hrs.

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