X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([216.148.227.153] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.4) with ESMTP id 1405743 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:54:19 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.148.227.153; envelope-from=ldunlap181639MI@comcast.net Received: from lloyd0o1r2y7wm (c-68-40-235-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.235.241]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060916095337m1300cjse2e>; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:53:37 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <00b901c6d975$fe247140$6601a8c0@lloyd0o1r2y7wm> From: "Lloyd Dunlap" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" , References: Subject: Re: [LML] hysol vs fuel again... X-Original-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:53:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C6D954.709D8710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C6D954.709D8710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, 1. In the beginning when NOT all autofuel contained 10% ethanol I would = only purchase from the one station in town that we tested quite often = which many members from our airport used. Now in the Detroit area they = ALL contain 10%. 2.I only put in autogas in at my home airport where I can control the = mix, never on a trip (they usually only have 87 anyway) 3. Yes it was in date ! 4. Yes it was a proper mix ! As a side note tankers haul anything for anybody so you will ALWAYS have = a certain amount of impurities. The only ones I know which are = "dedicated" are AVFUEL I think. Thanks, Lloyd Dunlap ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sky2high@aol.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [LML] hysol vs fuel again... In a message dated 9/13/2006 6:12:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, = ldunlap181639MI@comcast.net writes: I have a good sampling of planes without autofuel so now I would = like to have a few which use it ! Free borescope inspection of your = wings ! I will publish my data here when I'm done The new company which owns hysol denies having any fuel resistivity = data....hmmmm Did you know that there were two different versions used = ? Does anybody know why Lancair changed from 9339 to 9360 ???=20 Lloyd, Hmmmm, you never answered my questions so I will repeat them: Does your auto gas contain 10% ethanol? =20 Could ethanol/alcohol laced gas been picked up some at another = airport? How are you able to do this mix at re-fueling airports away from home? = =20 Was the Hysol out-of-date when it was applied? =20 Was the mix ratio correct? Also, taking a cue from Lorn where he stated he didn't find alcohol in = the sample of premium that he tested, note that: 1) The EPA requires at least 40 different formulations of auto gas = around the country. 2) Gas pumps I take my car to (in the Chicago area) say "Fuel contains = up to 10% Ethanol" (that's from 0 to 10%). 3) In the summer, I know that Chicago and St Louis are the recipient = of some of those very special EPA formulations to reduce "emissions." = Who knows what the auto fuel contents are around the country in any = given season. 4) The EAA-promoted MOGAS STC requires that there be less than 1% = alcohol present. The alcohol/ethanol content of auto gas can vary from place to place = and tanker dump to tanker dump. Considering the number of hours flown over the number of years = mentioned by you in your first e-mail (300 TT/8 yrs), how much do you = think was saved in fuel costs? Lets' see, 300 hrs at 10 gph, 3000 gal of which 1500 cost $3.00/gal = and 1500 cost $2.00. Hmmmm, that was a savings of $1500.00 over 8 = years or about $200 per year. What are the specs of 9339 and 9360? I hope you find the answers you are looking for. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) A man has got to know his limitations. PS: I have some mature Hysol and I was going to create some test = strips for dipping in auto gas and the real stuff (100LL), but the = results might not develop for 7 or 8 years, so I abandoned the idea. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C6D954.709D8710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott,
 
1. In the beginning when NOT all autofuel contained 10% ethanol I = would=20 only purchase from the one station in town that we tested quite = often which=20 many members from our airport used. Now in the Detroit area they ALL = contain=20 10%.
 
2.I only put in autogas in at my home airport where I can control = the mix,=20 never on a trip (they usually only have 87 anyway)
 
3. Yes it was in date !
 
4. Yes it was a proper mix !
 
 
As a side note tankers haul anything for anybody so you will ALWAYS = have a=20 certain amount of impurities. The only ones I know which are "dedicated" = are=20 AVFUEL I think.
 
 
Thanks,
 
 
Lloyd Dunlap
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sky2high@aol.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 14, = 2006 9:42=20 AM
Subject: Re: [LML] hysol vs = fuel=20 again...

In a message dated 9/13/2006 6:12:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, = ldunlap181639MI@comcast.net=20 writes:
I have a good sampling of planes = without=20 autofuel so now I would like to have a few which use it ! Free = borescope=20 inspection of your wings ! I will publish my data here when I'm=20 done
 
The new company which owns hysol = denies having=20 any fuel resistivity data....hmmmm   Did you know that = there were=20 two different versions used ? Does anybody know why Lancair changed = from=20 9339 to 9360 ??? 
Lloyd,
 
Hmmmm, you never answered my questions so I will repeat = them:
 
Does your auto gas contain 10% ethanol? 
Could ethanol/alcohol laced gas been picked up some at another=20 airport?
How are you able to do this mix at re-fueling airports away from=20 home? 
Was the Hysol out-of-date when it was applied? 
Was the mix ratio correct?
 
Also, taking a cue from Lorn where he stated he didn't find = alcohol in=20 the sample of premium that he tested, note that:
 
1) The EPA requires at least 40 different formulations of auto = gas around=20 the country.
2) Gas pumps I take my car to (in the Chicago area) say = "Fuel=20 contains up to 10% Ethanol" (that's from 0 to 10%).
3) In the summer, I know that Chicago and St Louis are the = recipient of=20 some of those very special EPA formulations to reduce = "emissions."  Who=20 knows what the auto fuel contents are around the country in any = given=20 season.
4) The EAA-promoted MOGAS STC requires that there be less = than 1%=20 alcohol present.
 
The alcohol/ethanol content of auto gas can vary from place to = place and=20 tanker dump to tanker dump.
 
Considering the number of hours flown over the number of=20 years mentioned by you in your first e-mail (300 TT/8 yrs), how = much do=20 you think was saved in fuel costs?
 
Lets' see, 300 hrs at 10 gph, 3000 gal of which 1500 = cost $3.00/gal=20 and 1500 cost $2.00.  Hmmmm, that was a savings = of  $1500.00=20 over 8 years or about $200 per year.
 
What are the specs of 9339 and 9360?
 
I hope you find the answers you are looking for.
 
Scott=20 Krueger AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL=20 (KARR)

A man has got to know his limitations.
 
PS: I have some mature Hysol and I was going to create some test = strips=20 for dipping in auto gas and the real stuff (100LL), but the = results might=20 not develop for 7 or 8 years, so I abandoned the=20 idea.
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