Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #37597
From: cblitzer <cblitzer@triad.rr.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Landing Gear retract
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:31:28 -0400
To: <lml>
Art -
I had the exact problem you are describing when we did the first few test flights in my IV-P
Long story short, in my case the cause was air getting in the system because builder had mistakenly inserted one plastic plugs in the unused opening of each of the main gear.  This also effected the way the nose gear retracted.
Amazing to all of us was that the retract test on the gorund always worked perfectly.
It was not until all hydraulic pressure was lost in flight, which caused another thorough inspection of the gear, that we saw the plastic plugs.
The plastic plugs were replaced, fluid level confirmed, and the gear has worked great ever since.
I strongly suggest you get a hydraulic pressure gauge as you don't want too much pressure either.
I am certainly not the LML hydraulic expert, that would be Bob P., but that would be my guess.
One other thing I found.   - After I flew the first 60 hours or so I the DOM at GAMI noticed the nose gear micro switch hit the oil pan.  A little area which was repaired by an FAA mechanic with some JB Weld.  Fortunately, there is no pressure in the oil   pan.  Fix was easy, mounted the micro-switch on the other side of gear leg.  Point is, micro-switch had made no contact with oil pan for almost 60 hours or more.
Lastly, during my annual in May, we noticed that the forward nose gear piston fitting had also contacted the oil pan.
Same scenario, never did it before - ever.  This did not occur until I had flown for almost 85 hours.
We had to re-index the piston so that the fittings were well clear of the oil pan.
I have no ides why the problems did not show up much sooner but I make it a definite point during preflight to look into he nose gear tunnel with a good flashlight.  I also carry a tube of JB Weld paste.
Hope this helps.
Craig Blitzer
798CB - 85 hours and almost out of paint
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:38 PM
Subject: [LML] Landing Gear retract

I have a total of 45 hrs on my L IV and in that time(accumulated since July 8th this year) I have on several
occasions had the gear not come up after take-off I was
under the assumption that it was probable because I was
a little over 120kts and slowed down and recycled the
gear and they would come up fine. On Sept. 1st took-off
to fly to Redmond and the gear would not come up after
3 tries, I landed and put the plane away and drove. On my
return I jacked the plane up and cycled the gear 6 times
and they worked fine, someone listening to the hydraulic
pump said it sounded like it was not producing enough
pressure so I turned up the pressure until I could hear the
pump lug down more toward the end of the cycle and it
ran longer as well. I flew again today to test the gear and
the gear would not come up my 3  green gear down lights
went out (where as on the 1st the left main gear light stayed
on) but was confirmed from the ground that the nose gear 
did retract but the main just seem to hang straight down but would not come up into the wheel wells. I would
appreciate any ideas or thoughts.
Regards
Art  
        
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