X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.86.190] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with SMTP id 1283633 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:57:24 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.191.86.190; envelope-from=c177av8r@pacbell.net Received: (qmail 41082 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2006 18:56:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=i7nlf8dkT0d7KBfdgq6A1WNJQ1YJPouLxZuF7cXe9FuJTlw5S/2+fYR01N8Ln0/794uQbZl46jlHONn0JPt/snSERfbTV6BoAbq8Y5EOuMwrbfCv435Mq2UWI+UQG2pCkK7CrCtm+rZUASbEoj7Pn5o0JiLf39ftbC61doFJLMg= ; X-Original-Message-ID: <20060719185636.41080.qmail@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.232.121.83] by web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:56:36 PDT X-Original-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Duane Allen Subject: Re: [LML] Re: VistaNav X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1334710953-1153335396=:40721" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --0-1334710953-1153335396=:40721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What I did for a U2 installation (not practical here) was build a pressure vessel to house the hard disk only. Flew it above 68K several times successfully. Still have the hardware even though I haven't used it in 16-18 years. I built it in 1988 according to my autocad drawings. duane "Hamid A. Wasti" wrote: Marvin Kaye wrote: > Posted for "Tom Gourley" : > > The Inertial > Navigation Unit, one of the two boxes that makes up a complete system, > has > reasonable specs; up to 24,000 feet and operating temperature from 32F to > 105F. I would hardly call that reasonable. And 32F is the "standard atmosphere" at about 7,500 feet. 105F is essentially 40C. It is way too low for real life use. Temperatures in excess of 80C behind the panel are well documented. On a "normal" warm day of 35C, you can see temperatures well in excess to 45C in locations where you would normally install a box. Places like Phoenix routinely get over 45C in the shade during the summer. Just to put things in perspective, a box with those temperature specifications would not even get past the front door to talk to an automotive company, let alone any aviation company. > Does this mean the tablet, or Mobile Computing > Platform as it's called, will stop working above 10,000 feet. I doubt it. Wrong answer. Hard drives count on an air cushion to keep them from touching the spinning disk. The damping of the air resistance against lateral movement of the head is also taken into consideration when designing the closed loop control for positioning the head. As you get high, the air thins and both the cushion as well as the damping decrease The result is failure to seek if you are lucky, a hard crash if you are unlucky. This is not just theory, but is well documented. Also, the denser the drive, the more susceptible it is to altitude related problems. The second issue is cooling. Cooling of the CPU. Colling of the power supplies. Cooling of the graphics chip. Cooling of the backlight. Of course, you can ignore all of that and boldly press on -- many do. Maybe you will get lucky and things will work for you, maybe not. Regards, Hamid -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/lml/ --0-1334710953-1153335396=:40721 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
What I did for a U2 installation (not practical here) was build a pressure vessel to house the hard disk only.  Flew it above  68K several times successfully.
Still have the hardware even though I haven't used it in 16-18 years.  I built it in 1988 according to my autocad drawings.
duane


"Hamid A. Wasti" <hwasti@starband.net> wrote:
Marvin Kaye wrote:
> Posted for "Tom Gourley" :
>
> The Inertial
> Navigation Unit, one of the two boxes that makes up a complete system,
> has
> reasonable specs; up to 24,000 feet and operating temperature from 32F to
> 105F.
I would hardly call that reasonable. And 32F is the "standard
atmosphere" at about 7,500 feet. 105F is essentially 40C. It is way
too low for real life use. Temperatures in excess of 80C behind the
panel are well documented. On a "normal" warm day of 35C, you can see
temperatures well in excess to 45C in locations where you would normally
install a box. Places like Phoenix routinely get over 45C in the shade
during the summer. Just to put things in perspective, a box with those
temperature specifications would not even get past the front door to
talk to an automotive company, let alone any aviation company.

> Does this mean the tablet, or Mobile Computing
> Platform as it's called, will stop working above 10,000 feet. I doubt it.
Wrong answer. Hard drives count on an air cushion to keep them from
touching the spinning disk. The damping of the air resistance against
lateral movement of the head is also taken into consideration when
designing the closed loop control for positioning the head. As you get
high, the air thins and both the cushion as well as the damping
decrease The result is failure to seek if you are lucky, a hard crash
if you are unlucky. This is not just theory, but is well documented.
Also, the denser the drive, the more susceptible it is to altitude
related problems.

The second issue is cooling. Cooling of the CPU. Colling of the power
supplies. Cooling of the graphics chip. Cooling of the backlight.

Of course, you can ignore all of that and boldly press on -- many do.
Maybe you will get lucky and things will work for you, maybe not.

Regards,

Hamid



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