X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:13:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from bmw.hapgoods.com ([65.40.217.234] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTPS id 1283328 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:37:09 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.40.217.234; envelope-from=matt.hapgood@alumni.duke.edu Received: from HP780N (HP780N.hapgoods.com [192.168.2.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by bmw.hapgoods.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JEZjEm031936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:36:05 -0400 From: "Matt Hapgood" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: VistaNav X-Original-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:35:47 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <01d601c6ab40$abaf3200$6402a8c0@hapgoods.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcarDJEpGo28+N51TGeD37kaLM2FPAAMy8Lg Tom, The Vista system uses the Motion Computing tablets. I have owned two Motion Computing tablets, and gone through four different hard drives in those tablets. I can tell you, from experience, that each of those hard drives have crashed at 10,000 feet, +/- 1,000 feet. That's right - some have crashed at 9k and others at 11k. I just returned from long trip in my 360 on Sunday (NC to California to NC), and the tablet crapped out before I got to 10.5, just as I was getting into IMC... I've also had a Toshiba tablet - it was good up to 18,000 (I never took it higher). There's a reason the Motion specs stink (compared to other tablets) - their drive is MUCH more altitude sensitive. It's a smaller drive than just about any other notebook out there (1.8" vs. 2.5"?), and I guess that is one of the trade-offs. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Marvin Kaye Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:23 AM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: VistaNav Posted for "Tom Gourley" : "The 10,000 ft altitude limit of any of the Motion based systems is a SERIOUS limitation" Matt, Good observation. The specs for the system are a bit puzzling. The Inertial Navigation Unit, one of the two boxes that makes up a complete system, has reasonable specs; up to 24,000 feet and operating temperature from 32F to 105F. The other box, essentially a tablet PC, is rated for up to 10,000 feet and an operating temp range of 41F to 95F. As you've pointed out 10,000 feet is simply not adequate, even for us normally aspirated pilots. On the other hand, those specs are pretty typical for a notebook or tablet PC. Being a computer hardware guy myself I suspect that's simply what the tablet PC manufacturer set as their requirement, validated the PCs operation over that range and called it good. Does this mean the tablet, or Mobile Computing Platform as it's called, will stop working above 10,000 feet. I doubt it. Would I bet my life on it. Heck no! I think Mercury needs to validate operation at a higher altitude for this system to be taken seriously. Many times the altitude limitation for a computer is due to reduced cooling efficiency at thelower air density. I've seen specs on some computer systems that derate the maximum operating temperature at higher altitudes. Maybe they could do something similar with the VistaNav. Tom -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/lml/