X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-PolluStop: No license found, only first 5 messages were scanned Return-Path: Received: from [67.8.182.29] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.1c.1) with HTTP id 1208747 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:05:00 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Sterling Ainsworth accident To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.1c.1 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:05:00 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007001c699ee$f14c3f50$6501a8c0@axs> References: <007001c699ee$f14c3f50$6501a8c0@axs> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1";format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "terrence o'neill" : Hamid, Yes. And we might add that airspeed itself is a secondary indication ... of the wing's AOA ... and valid only for 1G. A glance at an external, isolated AOA vane is checking the basic cause of stall: the ANGLE at which the relative wind breaks away from the top of the wing. If everything else goes to hell, you only need a needle-ball equivalnet and an AOA to fly the plane -- or glider -- or plane that has become a glider. Terrence N211AL L235/320 99.9% ----- Original Message ----- From: Hamid A. Wasti ...snip... If you even remember to look at the attitude indicator, it is showing a normal attitude (early on in the event), or a nose low attitude (later in the event), or a very nose low attitude (very late in the event). What does it mean? It does not jive with what you are focused on and believe to be your immediate problem, an imminent or developed stall. Oh, by the way there is an alarm still going on about the airspeed. The altitude is rapidly decreasing, the airspeed is continuing to decrease and the decrease is correlated by a decreasing ground speed (when you are in a steep dive, there is little movement across the ground). And the airspeed alarm is still going on. At that point, can you reboot your brain and start diagnosing the problem from scratch? All while the low airspeed alarm is going off. ...snip...