X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 07:10:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1120754 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 19 May 2006 22:40:07 -0400 Received: from jacky0da39824a ([71.111.166.49]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZJ004D4M2VJ5MB@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:40:10 -0500 (CDT) X-Original-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:39:59 -0700 From: "Tom Gourley" Subject: Re: [LML] IVP Crash, Lancair handling characteristics X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Reply-to: "Tom Gourley" X-Original-Message-id: <002301c67bb6$b0970770$640610ac@jacky0da39824a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C67B7C.03A90ED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C67B7C.03A90ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Grayhawk, I'm generally in agreement with your posts, and enjoy your writing = style, but I'm inclined to think Peter Garrison is not unduly biased = against experimental airplanes. True, he does write for Flying, but he = has designed and built two of his own airplanes. That sounds pretty = experimental to me. Tom Gourley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sky2high@aol.com=20 To: Lancair Mailing List=20 Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:47 AM Subject: [LML] IVP Crash, Lancair handling characteristics RA, BS. The rest of this has nothing to do with a specific crash. As others will point out, your emphasis on the 320/360 tail is = overdone. In addition, anyone that writes for a part 43 (?) = certificated GA airplane magazine has a questionable bias against = EXPERIMENTAL airplanes. Even though the FAA has allowed airplanes such = as the Tomahawk and those killer twins (you know, where the engines are = out on the wings), we train GA pilots are trained to the same level of = mediocrity - the rest of the skill set is up to the individual, = sometimes thru trial and error. For those that are interested, The CAFE flight tests for 360, Legacy = and IVP are at the following site. Slog thru the data and decide for = yourself on whether or not the flight characteristics take away from = their superior flight performance. =20 http://cafefoundation.org/v1/services.htm BTW, I fly a small tail 320 and find it stable enough thru the full = range of weights and CG (uh, I don't like rearward CG). Remember that = the 200/300 series EXPERIMENTAL Lancairs have one of the most unique = wings flying today - reflex flaps that actually reduce drag. Sure, = Lancair added the silly 6 ft. tail for additional stability - then they = had to add the extended engine mount to overcome a more aft CG. Of = course, then the cowl had to be extended. Yada. Yada. For those of you that now feel guilty about flying an EXPERIMENTAL = airplane, read the following over reaction...... http://www.eaa1000.av.org/fltrpts/lanc360/hq.htm Yes, just like the "good" chauffeur, I stay away from the precipice = edge as far as possible, but I still take the trip. I must be nuts! Grayhawk Piloting the fastest, most unsafe, retractable gear, IO 320 tractor = powered, heavier than air machine in these here whereabouts. A plane = designed and built in the last century and still flying in this one. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C67B7C.03A90ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Grayhawk,
 
I'm generally in agreement with your posts, and enjoy your writing = style,=20 but I'm inclined to think Peter Garrison is not unduly biased = against=20 experimental airplanes.  True, he does write for Flying, but he has = designed and built two of his own airplanes.  That sounds pretty=20 experimental to me.
 
Tom Gourley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sky2high@aol.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:47 = AM
Subject: [LML] IVP Crash, = Lancair=20 handling characteristics

RA,
 
BS.
 
The rest of this has nothing to do with a specific crash.
 
As others will point out, your emphasis on the 320/360 tail is=20 overdone.  In addition, anyone that writes for a part 43=20 (?) certificated GA airplane magazine has a questionable = bias=20 against EXPERIMENTAL airplanes.  Even though the FAA has allowed=20 airplanes such as the Tomahawk and those killer twins (you know, where = the=20 engines are out on the wings), we train GA pilots are trained to = the same=20 level of mediocrity - the rest of the skill set is up to the = individual,=20 sometimes thru trial and error.
 
For those that are interested, The CAFE flight tests for 360, = Legacy and=20 IVP are at the following site. Slog thru the data and decide for = yourself on=20 whether or not the flight characteristics take away from their = superior=20 flight performance. 
 
http://cafefoundation.= org/v1/services.htm
 
BTW, I fly a small tail 320 and find it stable enough thru the = full range=20 of weights and CG (uh, I don't like rearward CG).  Remember that = the=20 200/300 series EXPERIMENTAL Lancairs have one of the most unique = wings=20 flying today - reflex flaps that actually reduce drag.  Sure, = Lancair=20 added the silly 6 ft. tail for additional stability - then they had to = add the=20 extended engine mount to overcome a more aft CG.  Of course, then = the=20 cowl had to be extended.  Yada. Yada.
 
For those of you that now feel guilty about flying an = EXPERIMENTAL=20 airplane, read the following over reaction......
 
http://www.eaa1= 000.av.org/fltrpts/lanc360/hq.htm
 
Yes, just like the "good" chauffeur, I stay away from the = precipice edge=20 as far as possible, but I still take the trip. I must be nuts!
 
Grayhawk
 
Piloting the fastest, most unsafe, retractable gear, IO 320 = tractor=20 powered, heavier than air machine in these = here whereabouts.  A=20 plane designed and built in the last century and still flying in = this=20 one.
 
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