X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 20:13:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] X-PolluStop-Diagnostic: ########## X-Orig-Return-Path: jimrher@aol.com X-PolluStop-Score: 1.00 X-PolluStop: Scanned with Niversoft PolluStop v2.3.1d X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1087879 for marv@lancaironline.net; Mon, 01 May 2006 20:04:43 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.139.137; envelope-from=JIMRHER@aol.com Received: from JIMRHER@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id q.3fa.101cec0 (30738) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:03:45 -0400 (EDT) From: JIMRHER@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <3fa.101cec0.3187fbe1@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 20:03:45 EDT Subject: [LML] Re: Weather avoidance frustration X-Original-To: marv@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1146528225" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5026 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1146528225 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WX wanter WSI report; As far as I'm concerned I'm still not happy. I had my WX 500 removed when I put the WSI in. My WX 500 was never wired correctly so didn't work. I installed the WSI with the standard antenna. However, I installed the antenna under the glareshield knowing it may not work. It didn't. I played with it on top of the glareshield and discovered that it didn't work on headings of 320/360*. After talking a lot to all the folks involved they said to put it in the tail like Jeff has. After I did that it still didn't work. They did some more trouble shooting over the phone and as it turned out Mine wasn't On The Air during the critical 2/3 months that they were broadcasting a critical update, especially for us West Coast users. That opened up Beam 5. Previously, they only had Beam 3 for us. I asked if that was my old problem with the antenna the they said no, that a lot of folks are having problems with that antenna. I found out that it is made for them at Comant and it has a tuning problem with the newer Beams or satt link. So, I got the Marine antenna and installed it into the tail on my Aluminum antenna tray in the dorsal fin part of the fiberglass vertical stabilizer, where I have my TCAD top antenna and a GPS antenna, both work excellent. The new antenna receives WSI very well on the ground with 0 BER or Bit Error Rate. This is required even though they say 200 won't work and under 10 is OK. By the time I taxi out and take off I have about 4 or 5 of the things listed on the declutter list. If I sit on the ground testing, after 20 min. I still don't have Lightning showing on the list. I have never seen Lightning listed and when I'm in the air my BER goes to about 8 if it isn't 200. That means that my NexRad turns Red and the minutes next to it goes past 60 meaning it never has updated since I took off. The Gmeter ages out the same but with different load times. About the time I'm in the landing pattern after flying across 3 states it starts getting a lower BER. I think from heading change. I have been told to raise the Marine antenna as high as I can get because if we used Carbon Fiber to attach the Fiberglass to the fuselage then I may be masking the antenna? The only other thing may be my vertical tail is painted with the Color Change paint, but this is not like metallic paint it only has light reflecting very special prisms in it, unless they are metallic? Soon, I hope to raise the antenna and give that a try. Now for the Sirrus issue. We all need to change the box, which is only free if you sign up for a 4 year service, $600/yr, and that box will need another new antenna, I understand. I really don't know if the Marine antenna will even work with the new boxes? Check it out before you buy and let me know. I'm open to idea. Another rubb I have is to get the Winds Aloft from WSI you need to get the Corporate plan which costs another $300/yr. Jim Hergert N6XE (An Sexy) L4P 380 hrs. I have the standard WSI antenna. I have not yet activated the service, and, thus, have no operational experience. Is the consensus that the standard antenna is inadequate while the marine version is up to the task? If so, do you happen to know why? What is the issue? Is location just as important? Does anyone else have a WSI system up and running with the standard antenna? I'd sure like to hear how that is working for you. Just as important, how about someone who has switched to the marine antenna? How is that working out? If it turns out that the marine antenna is the "solution", then count me in. I'll buy one (in for a penny, in a for a pound). Thanks, Ron Ron Jones -------------------------------1146528225 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WX wanter WSI=20 report;
As far as I'm c= oncerned=20 I'm still not happy. I had my WX 500 removed when I put the WSI in. My WX 50= 0=20 was never wired correctly so didn't work. I installed the WSI with the stand= ard=20 antenna. However, I installed the antenna under the glareshield knowing it m= ay=20 not work. It didn't. I played with it on top of the glareshield and discover= ed=20 that it didn't work on headings of 320/360*. After talking a lot to all the=20 folks involved they said to put it in the tail like Jeff has. After I did th= at=20 it still didn't work. They did some more trouble shooting over the phone and= as=20 it turned out Mine wasn't On The Air during the critical 2/3 months that the= y=20 were broadcasting a critical update, especially for us West Coast users. Tha= t=20 opened up Beam 5. Previously, they only had Beam 3 for us. I asked if that w= as=20 my old problem with the antenna the they said no, that a lot of folks are ha= ving=20 problems with that antenna. I found out that it is made for them at Comant a= nd=20 it has a tuning problem with the newer Beams or satt link. So, I got the Mar= ine=20 antenna and installed it into the tail on my Aluminum antenna tray in the do= rsal=20 fin part of the fiberglass vertical stabilizer, where I have my TCAD top ant= enna=20 and a GPS antenna, both work excellent. The new antenna receives WSI very we= ll=20 on the ground with 0 BER or Bit Error Rate. This is required even though the= y=20 say 200 won't work and under 10 is OK. By the time I taxi out and take off I= =20 have about 4 or 5 of the things listed on the declutter list. If I sit on th= e=20 ground testing, after 20 min. I still don't have Lightning showing on the li= st.=20 I have never seen Lightning listed and when I'm in the air my BER goes to ab= out=20 8 if it isn't 200. That means that my NexRad turns Red and the minutes next=20= to=20 it goes past 60 meaning it never has updated since I took off. The Gmeter ag= es=20 out the same but with different load times. About the time I'm in the landin= g=20 pattern after flying across 3 states it starts getting a lower BER. I think=20= from=20 heading change. I have been told to raise the Marine antenna as high as I ca= n=20 get because if we used Carbon Fiber to attach the Fiberglass to the fuselage= =20 then I may be masking the antenna? The only other thing may be my vertical t= ail=20 is painted with the Color Change paint, but this is not like metallic paint=20= it=20 only has light reflecting very special prisms in it, unless they are metalli= c?=20 Soon, I hope to raise the antenna and give that a try.
Now for the Sir= rus=20 issue. We all need to chan= ge the=20 box, which is only free if you sign up for a 4 year service, $600/yr, and th= at=20 box will need another new antenna, I understand. I really don't know if the=20 Marine antenna will even work with the new boxes? Check it out before you bu= y=20 and let me know. I'm open to idea.
Another rubb I=20= have is to=20 get the Winds Aloft from WSI you need to get the Corporate plan which costs=20 another $300/yr.
Jim Hergert
N6XE (An Sexy)
L4P 380=20 hrs.
 
 
 
 
 
I have the standard WSI antenna. I have not yet activ= ated=20 the service, and, thus, have no operational experience.
 
Is the consensus that the standard antenna is inadequ= ate=20 while the marine version is up to the task? If so, do you happen to know why= ?=20 What is the issue? Is location just as important?
 
Does anyone else have a WSI system up and running wit= h the=20 standard antenna? I'd sure like to hear how that is working for you. Just as= =20 important, how about someone who has switched to the marine antenna? How is=20= that=20 working out?
 
If it turns out that the marine antenna is the "solut= ion",=20 then count me in. I'll buy one (in for a penny, in a for a=20 pound).
 
Thanks,
 
Ron
 

Ron Jones

 
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