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Grayhawk wrote: > Bob, I am glad to see you mention the 10:1 ratio, would you use > that ratio if you lost the engine and the prop was still rotating?
First, I should say that I probably have more engine-out and off-airport landings than landings at airports and with an engine. I've been flying hanggliders and sailplanes for 20+ years. There's a cliche about the glider pilot who goes to get his engine rating added to his pilot license. After a few lessons, the instructor pulls the throttle. While most power pilots tense up at this point, the glider pilot heaves a sigh of relief and continues the flight to the planned destination :-) Occasionally that is literally true.
Back to the Lancair though... it would take a tremendous thermal to climb away from the ground without the engine, so assume I'll be landing soon after the engine quits. In
still air, with mixture pulled to cutoff, I see about 700 fpm descent at 100 kias. That's pretty close to Paul's 15:1 idle-glide ratio.
If the engine quits over inhospitable terrain, I'll figure about 500 ft lost per mile. I'll also be aiming for a field within about 7:1 glide to a point 1000 feet above the field. I'll be using visual cues primarily. With my thumb against the bridge of my nose, I put the top of my index finger on the horizon. If I can see something under the finger, I can fly to it with a 7:1 glide.
For 15:1, I use the tip of my thumb against my forehead and put my pinky fingernail on the horizon. The pad of the pinky is little better than 15:1.
Likewise I fly angles through the pattern to landing rather than numbers. This is especially important at a field you've never seen before, at an unknown altitude, and with no services (or paved runways). I could go on for hours
about how to identify a good field versus a bad field for landing. There are literally hundreds of visual cues you can use to identify a field's slope, texture, hardness and so on. Similarly there are many ways to see wind direction without a windsock or an AWOS.
One of these days, I'll go out to Castle Air Force Base and measure the glide ratio of my 235 with the prop stopped. If I can stop the prop, I'll measure sink rate at a few speeds before landing on the 12000 foot runway. Like Gary, I'll be using about 3000 feet of that for the actual landing.
-bob mackey
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