Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #34977
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Subject: Re: AW: high CHT
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:45:35 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
In a message dated 3/21/2006 1:23:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, jschredl@web.de writes:
Are you using bayonet type probes?  Spark Plug Washer type CHT sensors can yield a reading 50F higher than actual. 
 
Johannes: The probes I use came with the Vision Micro EPI800 system and are screwed into the cylinder.
 
OK, probe style has been eliminated.
Scott, when looking to your values I noticed an error in my values while converting fuel consumption (used Imperial Galons ;-((  my right fuel consumption is:  8,7 US-gal/h
Ahh, that helps.  I wish I carried 43 Imperial Gallons instead of 43 US Gallons.  I suppose you are using metric measurements except for Knots.
 
I also see your EGT is much lower than mine: my EGT peak at 4500ft is about 1510°F! I lean always to the rich side at least -100°F as reccomended in the lycoming manual. Is this correct? My probes are all  3" down from the tube flange:
Interesting, my probes are 4" down and I am sure some of our difference is because of that.  Electronic Ignitions also reduce EGTs somewhat.
a. Do you really mean 185 MPH or 185 Knots?  The difference would be significant in gph and cooling differential pressures.  Johannes:I mean 185 MPH =  161 knots (IAS) and 8,7 gal/h
 
Ah, now the numbers make sense.
 
b. Is your oil cooler a Stewart-Warner (other brands are less efficient)? How many vanes? Johannes: Stewart-Warner 6 vanes
OK, then the high oil temperatures are probably not due to poor cooling because of the cooler brand.
 
c. Is your Vernatherm correctly set to send all the oil to the cooler when the temp exceeds 180F? Oil accounts for at least 1/3rd of the engine cooling.  The vernatherm can be tested in hot water to see if it fully shrinks (opens) at 180F.   Johannes: I´m not shure. But on a hot summer day cruising at 75% oil temp does not exceed  205°F. I think is o.k. Is it?
 
I think this is not OK.  Even on a hot day I see 180F at cruise speeds although I have a separate NACA inlet for oil cooler air.  There are several possibilities:
1. The cooler passages are clogged and the cooler should be flushed.
2. There is not enough air going thru the cooler vanes.  Maybe you could measure the upper and lower cooler air pressure?
3. The Vernatherm is faulty and should be replaced.  Test in hot water first. (I did have one fail on my engine)
 
e. Are you running at peak or lean of peak EGT? (I tend to see lower EGTs because of the electronic ignition, but not that much lower.)   Johannes: rich side -100°F 
OK, then the CHTs are too high.
 
I thought the "air speed" gives me an idea about the pressure situation...
Airspeed is not comparable, pressure is.
 
 
In Knots, 135=11.9" H2O, 65=2.8", difference = 9.1" H2O certainly enough for cooling.  
Johannes: The unit indicated in the graph is Knots (IAS)
OK, it is better when we are talking about the same thing.  While I think the calculation above is correct, it would be best to actually measure airspeed with the pitot in the upper cowl and the static port in the lower.  Remember to use something like a picolo tube  at the open ends to eliminate false pressures and eliminate the readings jumping up and down.  Try to find a quiet place for the pickups.  
 
 I found it interesting that your very nice cowling nose gear door made no difference as I was just considering one to improve cooling efficiency and thus reduce cooling drag.  
Johannes: To be honest: I did only a short flight under "bad weather conditions" and did not notice a huge drop of EGT (as expected ;-). As soon I´ve time I will repeat this tests using a static port and get more precisely data!
It would be more interesting to see pressure changes (and CHT changes) with and without the door.
 
The short and sharp ending of the Lancair cooling air inlets tend to have a turbulence which makes the opening appear smaller to the air flow than it actually is. 
Johannes: I totally agree with you! But until now I refused to touch this cowling part because of paint design...;-)
Ahhh.... well, each lower expanding diffuser inlet is held on by 2 flat head machine screws into nutplates on the collar.  the upper one could be fastened the same way.  Thus there would only be countersunk screw heads showing.
 
 It´s time to start flying season!
Great.
 
Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL (KARR)
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