In a message dated 12/26/2005 11:20:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
brent@regandesigns.com writes:
IMHO
(based on dyno and operational experience) hotter, longer and more energy
spark claims have no direct impact on performance assuming you are comparing
them to an ignition system that is operating within specifications on an
engine which is also operating within specifications. What hotter, longer and
more does give you is more MARGIN for situations where you are too lean, too
rich, close to fouling, cold starting, etc. Think of it this way, if the
spark plug "lights the fuse" on the combustion process will the explosion be
any bigger if it is started with a match or a blow torch?
Once you put
the requisite 140 mJ (more or less) into the mixture the combustion process
has started and, like being a "little pregnant", adding additional
energy won't get it "more started".
Brent, et al,
Interesting. Of course, the developers of SlickSTART must have seen
the same thing and were convinced they could even sell people a device to
overcome the failings in their weak-kneed mags and the irresponsible actions or
inactions of the person operating the starter button. I know in my wee
engine, the mixture that meets its match isn't always perfect - luckily the
blowtorch always finds the mark hidden somewhere in the dark dank chamber
of horrors. Wait, LSE only promises in excess of 120 mJ. I have been
led astray again. Or, maybe not, SlickSTART raises the peak mJ from
51 for the single impulse-coupled mag to 255 during the start.
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Aircraft engines have dual ignition systems for increased detonation
margins, NOT for reliability from redundancy. Aircraft combustion chambers are
so freaking big that by the time a flame front has traversed the chamber the
remaining gas has been compressed and heated to the point of detonation.
Starting the fire in two places shortens the combustion time significantly and
reduces the opportunity for detonation.
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Exactly! Of course, this is also interesting when the matches are lit
at wildly different times such as when one is advanced whilst the other is
fixed.
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This is also the mechanism for the RPM drop during a mag check. When
you turn off one mag the combustion event takes longer which has a similar
effect as starting the process later, AKA "retarding the timing". So when
you turn off one of the mags during a ramp check you may think the engine is
slowing down because you are adding less spark energy but what is really
happening is that you are changing the timing and anyone who has adjusted the
timing on a car knows that timing changes result in RPM changes at low power
settings.
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Hmmm.... Interesting effect when using an EI, there is no noticeable
drop in RPM on my engine when turning one ignition off. Of
course, there is a big drop when I turn off both. Anyway, it is a timing
puzzlement because I think I see about 25-27 degrees BTDC at 1800-1900 RPM
during the simulated mag check. I will remind my self to note the MAP and
RPM along with the timing readout next run up.
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My concern with most aftermarket ignition systems is an apparent lack of
robustness. The use of remote "brain boxes" with D-Sub connectors; the lack of
demonstrated lightning, EMI, HIRF protection; exposed crank sensors that are
vulnerable to bird strike, belt failures, accidental damage all make me
apprehensive of the failure of this critical system.
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I certainly agree with your distrust of D-Sub connectors for this
application and my own experience supports their inappropriateness.
LASAR utilizes nice flat pin locking connectors worthy of use on the
Shuttle. Now, about the lightning - I thought only Lancair IV's got hit
with lightning. Personally, I avoid lightning like the plague as both are
potentially more life threatening than sticking a knife in the toaster to
get that last burned piece of bread. EMI/HIRF - I don't know, I see (hear)
no interference (no, my head is not a scientific sensor) - nothing to compare to
the disruption of temp sensors noted during radio transmissions over
the Garmin 430.
Unless the bird started in the engine compartment or the engine is mounted
EZ style (backwards), there is little chance of it getting behind a Lycoming
flywheel where many Hall effect pickups are located. In my airplane a
belt failure only allows the alternator to wind down. Accidental damage could
occur if a passenger with size twelve pointy toed shoes kicks the "brain" - Oh,
that's right, the other one is safely mounted in a secret undisclosed
location.
I know my reply is smart-alecky and not liable to address your
concerns. But, we are all taking a calculated risk, starting with the trip
to the airfield, by flying in a little airplane personally built in a
garage following the Lancair Construction Manual.
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Given that there is an "ignition delay" between the static timing and the
actual plug firing, that this delay is different for mags and EI and that
simultaneous firing is important to detonation margin, how do you know the EI
and mag are firing at the same time?
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Exactly! For a NA IO 320 or 360 operating at middle altitudes
and 75% power, the timing I have read about or seen is pretty close to 25
degrees, the same as a mag. However, at low power settings (higher
altitudes), where the EI may be operating with as much as 42 degrees advance and
the mag is still at 25, there is a significant discrepancy. Fortunately,
low power settings increases the detonation margin.
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What really scares me is the availability of builder programmable
(adjustable) timing advance characteristics. You might as well bring him
to the rim of the Grand Canyon, blindfold the poor bastard and tell him to walk
around until he finds a high spot. The gains are small and the hazards are
deep since a "holed" piston WILL ruin your day. Timing curves can only be
developed by knowledgeable individuals using a properly equipped dynamometer.
The GAMI or Barrett facilities are good examples.
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I don't know about the rest of the EI producers, but LSE is very
responsible and honest. The following phrase is printed in the
manual:
System failure can cause serious injury or
death.
I was thinking of installing the timing controls and posting the above
statement as a placard over the controls. Maybe a picture of the Grand
Canyon would suffice - It sure would improve the artwork in my airplane.
Brent, I share your love of technology and your respect of good old
reliable magnetos. I started my adult life by programming vacuum tube
computers. Impressed with the switch to transistors, I did note that the
old brass mechanical tide table computer was still better than those newfangled
internally programmed ones. Today I am sitting in front of a machine
unimaginable in the 60's. I am a technology junkie ready to take chances
with the future since there is so little time, so much to do......... But
I wander. Well, time for my meds before they strap me back in bed.