X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:12:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gateway1.stoel.com ([198.36.178.141] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.2) with ESMTP id 848510 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 03:01:54 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.36.178.141; envelope-from=JJHALLE@stoel.com Received: from PDX-SMTP.stoel.com (unknown [172.16.103.137]) by gateway1.stoel.com (Firewall Mailer Daemon) with ESMTP id 712DBE9FC2 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:06:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from PDX-MX6.stoel.com ([172.16.103.64]) by PDX-SMTP.stoel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:01:08 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Tough Crowd X-Original-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:01:07 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB60720372560A@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: lml Digest #1430 Thread-Index: AcXzQejQ3h/nSPQTTdOVV07wkXgzywAqb+7w From: "Halle, John" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2005 08:01:08.0618 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3E746A0:01C5F3F1] What is it about LML and flame mail? The latest is the OP vs. Chelton/ = certified vs. uncertified string. And not a word from Rick Shrameck = anywhere in the debate! FWIW: I have flown my Legacy for about 3.5 years and 500 hrs. It has both = certified and non-certified parts. In my personal experience (which may = vary from the experience of others)the certified parts (fuel pump, = vacuum pump, HSI, LASAR electronic system and both mags) are more prone = to failure and less well supported by their manufacturers than are the = non-certified parts (autopilot, backup EFIS, airplane, engine = (IO-540EXP)). I therefore cannot conclude from my personal experience = that certified parts are better, more reliable, better serviced or more = satisfactory in any other way than are non-certified parts. Because I = cannot personally confirm that the process of government intervention = makes a product better or safer, I prefer to think of equipment as = either good or bad. My (up to this weekend) panel had good certified = equipment (Garmin 530 and 430 and the rest of the stack), good = uncertified equipment (TruTrak). It also had bad certified equipment = (HSI, vaccuum system) and bad uncertified equipment (WSI). Win some, = lose some. When I began thinking about upgrading my panel, I considered both the = DirectTo and OP products. I liked both of them and still do. Both of = them offer truly awesome advances in navigation technology. Anyone who = thinks either system is not reliable enough either has not been flying = very long or doesn't remember the old systems very well. (Anyone else = remember 60 degree lock-offs, chasing the ADF needle on final approach = as it swung wildly 10 degrees either side of the actual bearing, dialing = in the wrong VOR or TACAN frequency, forgetting to check the to/from = indicator?) Both the Chelton and the OP systems have been designed and = engineered by competent professionals who design for the most demanding = customers. As an early implementer, Chelton is a bit ahead on the = development curve. As second in, OP has had an opportunity to go to = school on the Chelton product and make what, to me at least, are a few = design improvements. Both systems have experienced shakeout issues = which both seem largely to have resolved. I understand there is an = issue with the Crossbow product in the DirectTo system which may extend = to the comparable OP AHRS but I have been getting a steady stream of = AD's from Lycoming on their solidly certified, 1940s technology engine, = to say nothing of the letters from the vaccuum system people suggesting = that it is criminally insane for anyone to ever use their product, none = of which leads me to condemn all certified products or suggest that only = a fool would ever install one. Both Chelton and OP offer TSO quality = GPSs and GPSs that, whatever their quality, cannot meet TSO standards. = For Hamid's benefit, I used the term "TSO-able" in an earlier post only = because I understand that the TSO standard involves not only product = quality and reliability but also the manner in which it is installed and = tested. I think I have told this story before on the list but I had an = instructor in the Navy that would bet any student he could beat them on = the bomb range. The student got to use the state-of-the-art gunsight. = The instructor made an x on the windshield with a grease pencil. He = never lost. It's all good. Buy what sings to you, have fun and be careful.