X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 20:16:23 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from HQEMGATE01.nvidia.com ([216.228.112.170] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 952036 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 May 2005 13:19:21 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.228.112.170; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net Received: from hqemfe02.nvidia.com (Not Verified[172.16.227.92]) by HQEMGATE01.nvidia.com id ; Sat, 21 May 2005 10:22:07 -0700 Received: from thelma.nvidia.com ([172.16.228.84]) by hqemfe02.nvidia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 21 May 2005 10:18:31 -0700 Received: from ccaselt (cvpn2-4-105.nvidia.com [10.2.4.105]) by thelma.nvidia.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA13746 for ; Sat, 21 May 2005 10:18:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <004501c55e29$1c173440$6904020a@nvidia.com> From: "colyncase on earthlink" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Airplane Construction Philosophy X-Original-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:18:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C55DEE.6E408950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Original-Return-Path: colyncase@earthlink.net X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2005 17:18:31.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CB65A70:01C55E29] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C55DEE.6E408950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Mike writes, I think Chelton is better than most of the other "glass" out there. I have a lot of respect for Chelton. =20 I think you are referring to my comment that because I work on computers = I don't have a Chelton EFIS in my cockpit. I should have said "I don't have ANY PFD" on my panel. You are right that SW is a big problem but I was actually talking about = the HW. When we design digital computers we draw nice little SQUARE = looking waves and talk about clock EDGES and how it is all supposed to = work. Then you get one of these things on a test bench and hook up an = oscilliscope and look at what is really happening and you see all sorts = of wiggles and signal ringing and jitter and you're pretty amazed it = works at all. Now throw in environmental factors, power isuues, static, = radio noise, and it gets more interesting. Chelton has done a lot of = work on all that. It mostly works but I would say anyone who flies behind one of these = things and doesn't positively plan on using the mechanical backups some = day, is asking for trouble. I thought about what transitioning to = the backups IMC would feel like after, say, 700 hours of the PFD and I = didn't like it. This is not the same as having a 6-pack and subtituting = another gyro in your scan. It's not just a matter of looking 3 degrees = to the left or right to use the other instrument. It's getting your = mind to process the information completely differently, now integrating = information from 6 different gauges again. I might feel differently if I = had more IMC time in on the 6-pack. One day I may change my mind but = at my experience level, which I consider relatively low at 850 hours, = I'm going to stick with a standard 6 pack + backup gyros for now. If I ever do put one of these in, it will likely be dual ahrs, dual = power supply, muiltiple screen, and I'll still have some old gyros = around. In the meantime, don't let the smoke out of your avionics. I hear they = don't work too well after that. Colyn ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C55DEE.6E408950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Mike writes,
 
I think Chelton is better than most of the other "glass" out=20 there.
 
I have a lot of respect for Chelton.  
I think you are referring to my comment that because I work on = computers I=20 don't have a Chelton EFIS in my cockpit.
I should have said "I don't have ANY PFD" on my panel.
 
You are right that SW is a big problem but I was actually talking = about the=20 HW. When we design digital computers we draw nice little SQUARE looking = waves=20 and talk about clock EDGES and how it is all supposed to = work.   Then=20 you get one of these things on a test bench and hook up an oscilliscope = and look=20 at what is really happening and you see all sorts of wiggles and signal = ringing=20 and jitter and you're pretty amazed it works at all.  Now throw in=20 environmental factors, power isuues, static,  radio noise, and = it gets=20 more interesting.   Chelton has done a lot of work on all = that.
 
It mostly works but I would say anyone who flies behind one of = these things=20 and doesn't positively plan on using the mechanical backups some day, is = asking=20 for trouble.     I thought about what transitioning = to the=20 backups IMC would feel like after, say, 700 hours of the PFD and I = didn't like=20 it.  This is not the same as having a 6-pack = and subtituting=20 another gyro in your scan.  It's not just a matter of looking = 3=20 degrees to the left or right to use the other instrument.   = It's=20 getting your mind to process the information completely differently, now = integrating information from 6 different gauges again. I might feel = differently if I had more IMC time in on the 6-pack.   One day I = may change=20 my mind but at my experience level, which I consider relatively low at = 850=20 hours, I'm going to stick with a standard 6 pack + backup gyros for = now.
 
If I ever do put one of these in, it will likely be dual ahrs, dual = power=20 supply, muiltiple screen, and I'll still have some old gyros = around.
 
In the meantime, don't let the smoke out of your avionics.  I = hear=20 they don't work too well after that.
 
Colyn
 
 
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