Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #29998
From: Stuart Seffern <sseffern@yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Airplane Construction Philosophy
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:36:56 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Tim,
 
Just one problem with your theory of duplicative redundancy in airplanes, engines. The common placement of engines is on the wings and in this configuration you are 4 times more likely to die in a single engine out in a twin engine airplane than the only engine out in a single engine airplane.  With two engines the extra weight is very important, which translates into extra fuel usage (also weight) as well as asymmetrical thrust and human reaction issues on failure.  Instead of extra reliability you actually INCREASE the odds of dying in a fatal crash by adding redundancy.
 
In electrical systems, redundancy does make great sense and is becoming the long overdue norm in certified airplanes, Diamond, Lancair, Cirrus, etc...  Two plugs, two mags, and electrical/vac redundancy has worked well in the past.  I just spent 4 hours behind the Garmin G1000 yesterday shooting 12 approaches and I will tell you that the Chelton/Garmin/Avidyne systems are amazingly less complex than the wavy steam gage needles, once you learn how to use them.  Having a reliable approach coupled to a good autopilot with great situational awareness at all times is a great example of the benefits of the advances made possible by reliable electrical system redundancy.
 
Stuart Seffern
Madison, WI
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: [LML] Airplane Construction Philosophy

Hello all,

            Working in the computer field I was wondering  why so much time in the aircraft industry is concerned with minimizing the mean time between failure (MTBF) on a single component. For example in the computer field we have moved extensively to a concept called RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks), in the “old” days a mainframe disk drive with an average of a one MTBF every million hours cost tens of thousands, versus a PC drive had an MTBF of a thousand hours and sold for a few hundred. With RAID you would mirror the data between two PC drives, and the chance then of a both failing at the same time was back up to a million hours. Two PC drives would cost significantly less than the equivalent mainframe, the result is that the cost of disk drives for servers has gone down significantly. In addition, computer staff has become used to a failure mode for disk drives  resulting in reduced data loss and better recovery procedures. In the aircraft industry we have continued to engineer for the MTBF of a million hours, with two consequences. One, everything is very expensive, two pilots are not used to any failures; so when a failure occurs the pilot does not know how to effectively deal with it. Therefore, why do we not accept a lower MTBF and have two complete avionics systems, fly by wire controls, engines…. The point could continue to everything except core structural elements.

 

 

Tim

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