Return-Path: Received: from mail.akos.net ([209.194.60.5]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:34:45 -0400 Received: from home.akos.net (root@home.akos.net [209.194.60.20]) by mail.akos.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA26271 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:37:56 -0400 Received: from akos.net (ppp39.npr1.akos.net [209.194.57.40]) by home.akos.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA07275 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:39:20 -0400 Message-ID: <37840E86.BDC368B4@akos.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:35:52 -0400 From: Tom Giddings To: Lancair Mail List Subject: severe pitch moment X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Naf; Like Bob Chelsey has already stated. The pitch down with full flaps is a little shocking at first.I can attest to the fact.My 360 does that also.I have not flown yours ,but it does not sound unlike the others I have seen.I also have Dick Reichels gear driven trim system(I share Bob.s sentiments)which I retro fitted.It did make the whole process a bit less threatening.I would guess that the stick back pressure would be at least 10/15# without proper trimming.What speed are you putting the flaps in at?.My normal procedure is Gear first at 120 kts,flaps out of reflex after gear is confirmed down,trim trim trim then half flaps around 100knts,trim off back pressure then full flaps if not a cross wind.If it is a cross wind of greater than ten kts I use half flaps.Another trick that works for me(while on the subject of flaps)is to raise the flaps when I am nearly ready to touch down.It stops the floating in ground effect.There may be some of you who would disagree with this,but with a little practice it has worked very well for me.As a matter of fact I (with the help of neighbor Bob Stia:)have installed my flap control on my stick to facilitate this technique.I now leave my saddle and spurs on the ground........ Tom Giddings 360TG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML homepage: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html