Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:13:35 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.206] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 569807 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:32:16 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.138.206; envelope-from=MikeEasley@aol.com Received: from MikeEasley@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id q.e4.5ec0f1be (17377) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:31:39 -0500 (EST) From: MikeEasley@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:31:39 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Chelton vs Avidyne X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1103211099" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5000 -------------------------------1103211099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an all electric ES with round gages for now. Two years ago when I was finalizing my panel, the choices were less proven and more expensive. Kirk was the guy who recommended going with steam gages if I couldn't afford the Chelton. But two years is a long time! My two cents...... An electronic HSI is no advance. A moving map replaces an HSI, that's progress. If you want to know your "horizontal situation", try an MX20 with the holding pattern displayed in magenta! That was a chore, even with an HSI. Similar thinking on the attitude indicator would mean that a "flight simulator" view is a real advance. A line with blue above and brown below isn't really an improvement in attitude awareness. Reliability aside, the new "glass" isn't new enough for me unless I can see the terrain. My JPI EDM 900 is more difficult to interpret than good ol' steam gages for oil temp etc. I used to be able to glance at my Mooney gages, "all in the green", and I'm back to looking at the runway. The JPI has red and green bars, but it's much tougher to interpret quickly. The JPI does allow me to assign temps and pressures that trigger audible and visible warnings. The EFIS engine gages should change color, or the electronic "needle" should change from green to yellow to red, have an audible warning or even a voice warning. I like the gages in the big iron, the numbers change color too. Digital readouts are great, but I'm not as concerned if my #5 cylinder is at 367 or 368, I just want to know when I'm approaching or reaching predefined limits. I'm watching closely for a system that is a major jump in usability before I rip out my panel for the "glass" upgrade. I would say that Chelton is about as close as anything out there, with HITS display, easy to interpret engine display, audible warnings, and reliability. Mike Easley Colorado Springs -------------------------------1103211099 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have an all electric ES with round gages for now. Two years ago= =20 when I was finalizing my panel, the choices were less proven and more=20 expensive. Kirk was the guy who recommended going with steam gages if=20= I=20 couldn't afford the Chelton. But two years is a long time!

My two cents......

An electronic HSI is no advance. A moving map replaces an HSI, th= at's=20 progress. If you want to know your "horizontal situation", try an MX20= =20 with the holding pattern displayed in magenta! That was a chore,=20 even with an HSI.

Similar thinking on the attitude indicator would mean that a "flight=20 simulator" view is a real advance. A line with blue above and brown be= low=20 isn't really an improvement in attitude awareness. Reliability aside,=20= the=20 new "glass" isn't new enough for me unless I can see the terrain.

My JPI EDM 900 is more difficult to interpret than good ol' steam gages= for=20 oil temp etc. I used to be able to glance at my Mooney gages, "all in=20= the=20 green", and I'm back to looking at the runway. The JPI has red and gre= en=20 bars, but it's much tougher to interpret quickly. The JPI does allow m= e to=20 assign temps and pressures that trigger audible and visible warnings.

The EFIS engine gages should change color, or the electronic "needle"=20 should change from green to yellow to red, have an audible warning or even a= =20 voice warning. I like the gages in the big iron, the numbers change co= lor=20 too. Digital readouts are great, but I'm not as concerned if my #5=20 cylinder is at 367 or 368, I just want to know when I'm approaching or reach= ing=20 predefined limits.

I'm watching closely for a system that is a major jump in usability bef= ore=20 I rip out my panel for the "glass" upgrade. I would say that Chelton i= s=20 about as close as anything out there, with HITS display, easy to interpret=20 engine display, audible warnings, and reliability.

Mike Easley

Colorado Springs

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