Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:45:37 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.9] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 545871 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:30:31 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.9; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id q.8d.1abb55aa (3866) for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:29:58 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <8d.1abb55aa.2ed77ea5@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:29:57 EST Subject: Re: [LML] LAHSO in reference to experimental airplanes X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1101407397" X-Mailer: AOL Strauss Beta Client sub 1180 -------------------------------1101407397 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/25/2004 11:43:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, cfi@instructor.net writes: Someone had asked the question about LAHSO's a while back. Each airport which conducts LAHSO, has a specific landing distance minimum listed for a specific airplane type, and is then put in a sub category for that group. The LOA will vary drastically between airports, and what is authorized. The only specific airplanes not authorized for LAHSO are solo student pilots, however if your Lancair is not specified the the LOA for those ops at that airport, then you will not be able to participate, has nothing to do with the fact that it is an experimental. If you are operating at such an airport and want to participate, then I would suggest you contact the tower and get your airplane on the list. They will require landing distance minimums for your airplane, and speeds. There is a team of controllers set up to write the LOA, so it's up to that team to approve the different airplanes. It is totally their discretion to not allow any experimental airplanes, or any other types for that matter. LAHSO - Land and hold short operations. Ron, Verrrrry Interrrrrresting...... At my towered home airport (KARR) I always call "Lancair 92EX" when contacting ATC. I have occasionally been requested to LAHS and I have always been able to do so. We have several "experimentals" at the airport including a P-51, P-40, B25, Velocity, Cozy, Vari-eze, a few RVs, a Glasair, an E-Racer, Mig-21, YAK, Pitts, etc.... Some use the "experimental" lead in, others use the Model (like Lancair). Newbie controllers have replied with "Lance 2EX, Experimental 2EX, Uh, Say Again," but all of them have stumbled over the tongue twister " Two Echo Xray." Try it. I have never been corrected for not saying "experimental." Besides that, they know that after I announce my lawn dart as "incoming" at 10 NM, it won't be long before they hear my "Lancair 2EX 2 miles out" and they better have cleared the way - once I was even asked to do a 360 for a Falcon Jet on final - I replied, "WILCO on the right 360. Can he keep his speed up so I don't have to do a second one? 2EX" I think I heard some sputtering from the tower mike. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR) Some Assembly Required Using Common Hand Tools and Respect for your "controller." -------------------------------1101407397 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/25/2004 11:43:14 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 cfi@instructor.net writes:
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Someone had asked the question about LAHSO's a while back.  =20= Each=20 airport which conducts LAHSO, has a specific landing distance minimum list= ed=20 for a specific airplane type, and is then put in a sub category for that=20 group.  The LOA will vary drastically between airports, and what is=20 authorized.   The only specific airplanes not authorized for=20 LAHSO are solo student pilots, however if your Lancair is not specifi= ed=20 the the LOA for those ops at that airport, then you will not be able to=20 participate, has nothing to do with the fact that it is an experimental.&n= bsp;=20 If you are operating at such an airport and want to participate, then I wo= uld=20 suggest you contact the tower and get your airplane on the list. &nbs= p;=20 They will require landing distance minimums for your airplane, and=20 speeds.  There is a team of controllers set up to write the LOA, so i= t's=20 up to that team to approve the different airplanes.   It is tota= lly=20 their discretion to not allow any experimental airplanes, or any other typ= es=20 for that matter.  

LAHSO - Land and hold short operations.  =20

Ron,
 
Verrrrry Interrrrrresting......
 
At my towered home airport (KARR) I always call "Lancair 92EX" whe= n=20 contacting ATC.  I have occasionally been requested to LAHS and I = have=20 always been able to do so.  We have several "experimentals" at the airp= ort=20 including a P-51, P-40, B25, Velocity, Cozy, Vari-eze, a few RVs, = a=20 Glasair, an E-Racer, Mig-21, YAK, Pitts, etc....  Some use the=20 "experimental" lead in, others use the Model (like Lancair).  Newbie=20 controllers have replied with "Lance 2EX, Experimental 2EX,  = Uh,=20 Say Again," but all of them have stumbled over the tongue twister " Two Echo= =20 Xray."  Try it.
 
I have never been corrected for not saying "experimental."  Beside= s=20 that, they know that after I announce my lawn dart as "incoming" at 10 NM, i= t=20 won't be long before they hear my "Lancair 2EX 2 miles out" and they better=20= have=20 cleared the way - once I was even asked to do a 360 for a Falcon Jet on fina= l -=20 I replied, "WILCO on the right 360. Can he keep his speed up so I don't have= to=20 do a second one? 2EX"  I think I heard some sputtering from the tower m= ike.=20
 
Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR)

Some Assembly Required=20
Using Common Hand Tools and
Respect for your "controller."
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