Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:21:04 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta-out-1.udlp.com ([207.109.1.8] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 481187 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:18:51 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.109.1.8; envelope-from=Christopher.Zavatson@udlp.com Received: from asdmngwia.mpls.udlp.com (asdmngwia.mpls.udlp.com [10.1.62.22]) by mta-out-1.udlp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9L3PvGu012445 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:25:57 -0500 Received: from DM-MN-06-MTA by asdmngwia.mpls.udlp.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:18:18 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 X-Original-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:18:07 -0500 From: "Christopher Zavatson" X-Original-To: Subject: [LML] Re: Keeping Ada Cooling Cool Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Guinevere: 2.0.15 ; United Defense LP << That would be nice... but if the plenum fits the cowl, nicely, why not use the cowl to seal the whole thing, instead of the extra weight of the "plenum".>> Extra weight! What extra weight? Silicone baffle seal material is not exactly light weight stuff. My calibrated arm tells me they're about even. Seriously, if I were to put all the removed parts on a scale, I would not be surprised to conclude the same thing Brent did - the plenum is lighter. I actually did consider using the cowl as the plenum top. There were two issues. The first was how to transition the top of the diffusers to the cowl without creating a step that would cause flow separation given sealing and engine movement considerations. The second issue was controlling leakage in a conventional baffle system. NASA did a study pertaining to the cooling of horizontally opposed aircraft engines that produced some very enlightening data. They took an Aztec engine installation and found 55% of the air entering the inlets was being lost to leakage. 38% was attributed to the flexible baffle seals and the rest was traced down to various sheet metal to engine interfaces. A hardtop plenum and RTV got things sealed up. Accepting a method of sealing that is so inherently lossy is not an issue if you have an oversized cooling system. I was going in the opposite direction by reducing inlet and exit areas. System efficiency was now of greater importance and so I did not want to go down the path of accepting a sealing method that has been shown to have a very high leak potential. Do leaks really have an impact? If you are already losing half your cooling air, you could probably drill a few more holes in the baffling and not see a difference in cooling. On my first flight with the plenum, I actually had a leak. One of the SCAT ducts was not pushed up onto the diffuser quite far enough. There was no visible gap, but the internal spiral wire was not entirely up on the diffuser so there was a short section of unsupported silicone creating the seal. You could just barely squeeze a finger between the diffuser and the SCAT duct in that area. On that first flight, the cylinder closest to that leak ran 20 degrees hotter. Do leaks really make a difference? In this case it did. While a conventional baffle systems will work ( I used one for 6 years), it is, IMHO, much easier to achieve a well sealed and efficient system with an enclosed upper plenum. The benefits of this efficiency become more apparent, the faster we want to fly. Chris Zavatson