Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:53:05 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [198.36.178.148] (HELO stoel.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 478863 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:29:43 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.36.178.148; envelope-from=JJHALLE@stoel.com Received: from PDX-SMTP.stoel.com ([172.16.101.137]) by gateway1.stoel.com with ESMTP id <334099>; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:34:43 -0700 Received: from PDX-MX6.stoel.com ([172.16.2.64]) by PDX-SMTP.stoel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:28:58 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE:Plenum Cooling X-Original-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:28:58 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB6072198066@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: lml Digest #1000 Thread-Index: AcS17KHI9njvPoPCRlqo4A7uTM4iCAACWAjA From: "Halle, John" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Return-Path: JJHALLE@stoel.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2004 16:28:58.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC2B7CE0:01C4B5F8] I am certainly no expert but I think the Bernoulli principle (an = expanding stream of air shows a reduction in velocity and an increase in = pressure and vice versa) applies if the expansion is generally = non-turbulent, which happens if the rate of expansion is around 5 = degrees or less. In my Legacy with a Lycoming engine, air intake on = both sides was turbulent. On the left much more on the right because = the baffling angle is much steeper to accommodate an oil cooler (which = we installed elsewhere.) It is fairly clear that no one did any airflow = engineering on the intakes. We got some significant temperature = reductions (about 35 degrees CHT) from making some minor alterations to = the right side baffling (basically putting in a small ramp that blocked = about an inch of the #1 cylinder), installing about a 4" deep cone on = the left intake and a deflector to direct left intake air down toward = the #2 cylinder. Once the cross sectional area through which a stream of air passes is = increasing at a rate greater than 5 degrees, the flow becomes turbulent = and the Bernoulli principle ceases to apply. Therefore the rapid = increase in area entering the plenum chamber should have unpredictable = effects on pressure (but good intake geometry can increase pressure = before the air gets to the plenum chamber.) George Braly's observations (as usual based on actual data for which I = am most grateful) were very interesting. Based on them, I think I am = going to stop work on the plenum I was building and concentrate on = seeing if I can make further improvements to the intake flow. The turbulence problem also applies to outflow and all the junk hanging = from the engine and engine mount make outflow wildly turbulent. If you = can find a way to channel outflow, there should be a noticeable increase = in speed and decrease in temps. I have looked in the engine compartment = and concluded that that is easier to say than to do but, it might be a = nice project for someone who is looking for a challenge. The person who really has this stuff down "cold" is Dave Anders who has = the world's fastest RV-4. He used to live in Visalia and now, I think, = has moved to somewhere near Redding. I spent a few hours with him a = couple years ago and he could not have been more helpful.