Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #25800
From: Ian B. Crowe <ian.crowe@sympatico.ca>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Fw: Your door problem
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:52:05 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
 
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Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:16 AM
Subject: Your door problem

There is no spring to help the door close.  The spring fitted is to open the door when you go to emergency extension of the gear.  When you do this, all the pressure is released and the nose gear door and the two inner doors on the main gear are pushed open by springs.
 
My right hand side inner door has a habit of closing much later than the other doors and I have partially explained it, at least to myself by blaming the prop wash.  However it does close eventually and is fine on the ground.  Have you flown a full circuit and then asked the tower to check again?
 
If I have the plane on the jacks and I retract the gear the mains go up first, then the nose gear retracts and FINALLY the inner doors and the nose door close as the pressure builds up to the pressure switch cut off point.  I have gauges on my system and the pressure can be seen clearly as it rises and the inner doors finally close.  This tells me that loading the springs requires a deal of effort and the extra air loads may be the problem if other factors are in play.
 
However the majority of 360's work OK so the question is how does your plane differ?  It is obvious that the air loads are a factor if the door is fine on the ground.  However the force available to close the door must be very marginal if the air loads are sufficient to keep the door open.  Is it the cylinder itself?  Is the actuating rod bent?  Is the cylinder properly aligned to give an in line pull to the door.  Is the bracket on the door the correct size in terms of the height of the cylinder attachment point above the door? (This distance determines the leverage you get)  Are you quite sure that you did not use teflon tape to seal the threads on the cylinder and that some if it is not blocking the ingress/egress to/from the cylinder.   Do you have two hoses to the cylinder?  i.e. not only a closing  but also an opening hose?  If so you will need to check that as the door closes the fluid on the other side of the piston can flow freely back to the reservoir.  Does the door move easily on its hinge? Once you are 100% sure that all of the above is OK,  you could take off the emergency spring that opens the door and fly the aircraft and see if the door closes then.  This involves some element of risk beacause if you have a real emergency the nose gear door will only open under the weight of the gear pushing it down plus the thrust of the  emergency extension cylinder.  This is your call!   
 
If it does not work with the spring off then you are on to the verificaion of the ability of the sequence valve to provide unimpeded flow.  This goes to the physical condition of the valve as well as the adjustment.  If all is well there then you need to do the check I mentioned to see that there is no blockage in the line, which is unlikely but........
 
If you end up wih no results from the foregoing it would be a good idea to get two pressure gauges and "T" them into the lines at the pump.  They will tell you what is happening to the pressures in the system, bearing in mind that the pressure at any point in a system like ours is the same as at any other point.  The gauges are not expensive, $20 to $25 each.
 
I cannot think what else you could do other than go into the mail list archives which is a treasure trove of other people's experiences and in some cases, solutions.
 
Where do you live in Oz?  Haven't been there in years but used to go into Sydney from Los Angeles and then out west to the Pilbarra.  What a place.  The only place I know where the cold water in your hotel room would scald you after its trip across the desert!
 
 
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