Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:12:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta-out-1.udlp.com ([207.109.1.8] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.2) with ESMTP id 423892 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:03:52 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.109.1.8; envelope-from=Christopher.Zavatson@udlp.com Received: from asdmngwia.mpls.udlp.com (asdmngwia.mpls.udlp.com [10.1.62.22]) by mta-out-1.udlp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8LDE2UP028457 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:14:02 -0500 Received: from DM-MN-06-MTA by asdmngwia.mpls.udlp.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:03:07 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 X-Original-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:00:09 -0500 From: "Christopher Zavatson" X-Original-To: Subject: [LML] Re: More AOA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Guinevere: 2.0.15 ; United Defense LP << After a month or so of flying the plane the owner was practicing "power-out landings." I personally would question why one would practice this as I expect the plane flys like a brick with gear down and no power.>> Gary, Your S-51 example happens to be the one case where using an AOA indicator can actually get you into trouble. Flying the same AOA on approaches works great if the descent rate and angle are always the same or at least similar. If for example you always fly ILS's like the airlines or do nothing but carrier landings, your approaches will all have a similar profile. On the opposite side of the spectrum you have our planes that can fly the ILS at 500 fpm or do a short approach at 1900 fpm. If you fly both approaches at the same AOA you will far less margin for arresting the high descent rate of the short approach. In the S-51, case the pilot needed to keep extra energy in the bank in the form of higher airspeed and lower AOA than for his normal approaches. 'Got too slow' in this case could mean that he used the same airspeed and AOA that he had always used in the past. For the sake of proficiency, I would hope that everyone has done power off landings all the way to touch down. Chris Zavatson