Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:42:48 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.2) with ESMTP id 420541 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:11:15 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.148.227.85; envelope-from=mjrav@comcast.net Received: from MJR (h000094c615c2.ne.client2.attbi.com[65.96.140.242]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004091817104501400fg2gme>; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 17:10:45 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <008e01c49da3$19f60480$f28c6041@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "Mark Ravinski" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: AOA X-Original-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:15:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01C49D81.92780E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C49D81.92780E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable " That is why an AOA indicator is so strongly suggested by the members = on this list. " "Without an AOA the pilot cannot SEE how close he is flying his wing to = its AOA." "I used to do zoom passes too, from time time, but then I installed = Jim's AOA and found out how close I was coming to stall. In truth I was = a couple of tenths of a G from a smoking hole. It was quite sobering = because you just don't expect to stall above 150 Kts. It is not part of = your mental "things I have to worry about at cruise speed" list." Please excuse me for quoting several recient entries. I see a disturbing trend of thinking here that might lead some to = believe an AOA indicator is a reasonable substitute for stall recovery = training or ability. Even worse, that lack of stall recovery competency = is acceptable for any standard of safety. Who are you kidding? I wouldn't have one on my plane. It's not worth it's weight. Mark Ravinski N360KB 1302 hrs Ex Air Force flight instructor flame suit on ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C49D81.92780E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

" That is why an AOA indicator is so strongly suggested by the = members=20 on this list. "

"Without an AOA the pilot cannot SEE how close he is flying his = wing to=20 its
AOA."

"I used to do zoom passes too, from time time, = but then I=20 installed Jim's AOA and found out how close I was coming to stall. = In=20 truth I was a couple of tenths of a G from a smoking hole. It was quite = sobering=20 because you just don't expect to stall above 150 Kts. It is not part of = your=20 mental "things I have to worry about at cruise speed" = list."

Please excuse me for quoting several recient=20 entries.

I see a disturbing trend of thinking here that = might lead=20 some to believe an AOA indicator is a reasonable substitute for stall = recovery=20 training or ability. Even worse, that lack of stall recovery = competency is=20 acceptable for any standard of safety.

Who are you kidding?

I wouldn't have one on my plane. It's not = worth it's=20 weight.

Mark Ravinski

N360KB 1302 hrs

Ex Air Force flight instructor

flame suit on

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