Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.erols.com ([207.172.3.235]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:45:45 -0400 Received: from preinstalledcom (207-172-194-70.s7.as1.grn.ny.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.194.70]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA08637; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <375E5FED.ABF@erols.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:37:01 -0400 From: "Jeffrey B. Chipetine" Reply-To: abcrental@erols.com To: lancair.list@olsusa.com CC: abcrental@erols.com Subject: Bickering X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Gentlemen, The last few days have seen a marked increase in "inter-forum bickering". Regardless of the reason, this is counterproductive,disrupts and discourages the free exchange of ideas, and in general is beneath our collective dignity. The very idea of publicly ridiculing ANY idea that comes over this forum is contrary to the very reason you build an experimental. To achieve above average performance requires the consideration of ideas that range from the"out of the ordinary" to the Extra-ordinary, to the "Visionary". Who is to say from where these progressive ideas may come from? To engage in an electronic Male Appendage Waving Contest is a juvinile action. Any electronic exchange is somewhat anonymous. This makes it easy to type while your emotions are in full rage, forgetting there are real people with sensible sensitivities and feelings on the other end. It is easy to hit the "send" button without pausing to reflect on the effect our words may have on others. As a personal policy, it may be wise to write while emotional, but wait several hours before re-reading your proposed posts and considering options while in a more even tempered state, prior to hitting the "Send" button. While there may be some very legitimate issues on the question of Factory Support by certain forum participants, comments on the individual support received should be directed to the problem being addressed, not the manner in which you perceive the problem is being solved. Consistant Factory bashing through this forum will simply mean that this list will no longer be viewed as an information resource, but as a place to vent one's spleen. May I respectfully suggest that such extra-ordinary comments be addressed to the factory in private. If you wish to take your argument public, consider taking out an advertisment in a magazine directed to future purchasers. By arguing within this forum, you sour everyone and will win few compatriots. Remember, virtually everyone here has already "unzipped his fly" and is commited to producing the finest project possible. In an experimental, there are as many solutions as there are problems. The open discussion of these problems allows everyone from the Neophyte to the "World Class Engineer" to listen, learn, and occassionally contribute to the discussion. Some outstanding ideas have come forward in this list. The knowlege and the willingness to share must be encouraged or it will surely dry up. The second worse thing that an idea can be is wrong, the very worse thing is if the idea is not brought forward for discussion for fear of a public flogging. I believe that Marv started this list to ENCOURAGE participation, the ENJOYMENT of building and aviation in general. I have personally learned a great deal from my readings here. On occasion, I have contributed when I felt that my background or knowlege could be of assistance to the list community. On occasion, my contributions have had some positive results. I am a simple enough a man to admit that I am proud when I am able to assist my fellow flyers. Let us consider the benefit of a positive contribution as opposed to the naysaying we have recently seen. We may be better off if we can put aside the personal attacks, and re-focus on the more noble pursuit of helping each other build and fly safely, efficiently, and with the largest "grin/pain" ratio as possible. Any forum that elevates the art of personal attack and ridicule is doomed to failure. It just wouldn't be nearly as much fun as building, or flying. My objective in writing this is to help us remember that everyone and their ideas has value. To depricate these tennents is to deny ourselves of a most valuable resource. Please accept this in the spirit of comraderie in which it is intended. Respectfully and with regard to all, Jeffrey B. Chipetine (P.S. ...yes I waited about 4 hours before I hit the "send" button. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML homepage: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html