Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:44:02 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 332376 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:45:54 -0400 Received-SPF: error receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.148.227.85; envelope-from=edechazal@comcast.net Received: from cc1860069a (pcp09040864pcs.rocsth01.mi.comcast.net[69.244.182.42]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004072400452301400ddncle>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:45:23 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <00dc01c47117$3d16afe0$6401a8c0@rocsth01.mi.comcast.net> From: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Epic aircraft X-Original-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:43:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C470F5.B51A13A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C470F5.B51A13A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder if some of you got the announcement from Epic aircraft that = they flew their first prototype recently. The CEO is Rick Schrameck (my = memory says - he's one of us, right?) Anyway, the price of the plane is = $1.1 million but it will initially be certified in the "amateur built = category". I thought the rules were simply: You build 51% of the plane = and you get to fly in the 'experimental class'. And you can sell the = plane too. If you don't build the plane, you buy a 'certified' model. =20 If Rick is building planes for sale, he's the same as Piper and Cessna, = and should be playing by the same rules. Similarly for the 'builder = assist' guys out there: If you're building the IVs for other owners who = have not put anywhere near 51% of the effort (who's kidding who here) = then there's going to be trouble at some point. =20 Maybe Epic's got it all worked out. But this is no joke. There are an = awful lot of IVs going down and it's only a matter of time before = someone takes out a school bus loaded with kids. The paperwork better = be squeaky clean, or, not only will there be hell to pay, but our = category could be at risk. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm thinking that some guys (that are circumventing = what I understand to be the spirit of the amateur built class, and = probably not even on this list) are putting our existence at risk. =20 I look forward to having my mind put at ease... Ed de Chazal Lowly 360 driver (and builder) ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C470F5.B51A13A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I wonder if some of you = got the=20 announcement from Epic aircraft that they flew their first prototype=20 recently. The CEO is Rick Schrameck (my memory says - he's one of = us,=20 right?) Anyway, the price of the plane is $1.1 million but it will = initially be=20 certified in the "amateur built category". I thought the rules = were=20 simply: You build 51% of the plane and you get to fly in the = 'experimental=20 class'. And you can sell the plane too. If you don't build = the=20 plane, you buy a 'certified' model.

If Rick is building = planes for sale,=20 he's the same as Piper and Cessna, and should be playing = by the same=20 rules. Similarly for the 'builder assist' guys out = there: If=20 you're building the IVs for other owners who have not put anywhere = near 51%=20 of the effort (who's kidding who here) then there's going to be trouble = at some=20 point.

Maybe Epic's got it all = worked=20 out. But this is no joke. There are an awful lot of IVs = going down=20 and it's only a matter of time before someone takes out a school bus = loaded with=20 kids. The paperwork better be squeaky clean, or, not only will = there be=20 hell to pay, but our category could be at risk.

Maybe I'm wrong, but = I'm thinking=20 that some guys (that are circumventing what I understand to be the = spirit of the=20 amateur built class, and probably not even on this list) are putting our = existence at risk.

I look forward to = having my mind put=20 at ease...

Ed de = Chazal

Lowly 360 driver (and=20 builder)

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