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From: Jim McIrvin <pilot195@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: IFR training in a IV-P?
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Okay - couldn't hold it any longer ....
 
There is nothing wrong with IFR training in a IV/P (or any other 'fast glass').  
 
One key surely is to make sure you have an instructor that is qualified for the task.  
 
"Qualified" does not necessarily mean the CFI is fully "up" on your version of avionics and GPS .. although the CFI needs to be proficient enough to not impede your progress.  (see note below)
 
Jeff (like others, I respect Jeff's opinion and value his posts) said in one post "excluding military" ... WHY??    Jeff - why not consider the experience of 22 year old kids with no aviation experience (to speak of) who learn instruments in a jet with ONE comm radio, ONE nav radio and no autopilot?  At 300 KIAS on downwind, .9 IMN at cruise, and 155 KIAS on final (plus gas).????? 
 
Oh - the comm radio is NOT "flip-flop" .. once you change freq's, the previous one is gone.
 
Guys - I would be very comfortable taking any of you into the instrument world in your IV/P.. and I would recommend that over trying to learn in something else.  Shoot - you own the plane, right?  Why rent someone elses with inferior equipment?
 
I have done 15 hrs or so doing a IFR "redo" in a Super ES and it wouldn't be any different in the IV/P.  
 
The trick may be finding a good IFR instructor that can handle the speeds of the IV.. find someone wiht jet experience would be my advice.  Planning the arrival/approach is a significant portion of the training (and one that you will not adequately acquire by training in a spam can).
 
(Besides the IV/P, my background includes 9 yrs teaching the world's best pilots to fly in the T-38 for the USAF).
 
Note:
the early hours of IFR in any airplane are teaching fundamentals; or refreshing such skills.  As the CFI, I do my homework on the system in the airplane so that I can explain it forwards/backwards/left-to-right, then I explore the entire system "hands on" while the student is perfecting his/her basic instrument skills (not requiring the nav kit - that's my job at this point).  By the time the student is ready to navigate as well as fly, I'm ready to teach the system in his/her airplane...
 
my 2 cents... going quiet again...



Jim McIrvin
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<DIV>Okay - couldn't hold it any longer ....</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>There is <EM>nothing wrong</EM> with IFR training in a IV/P (or any other 'fast glass').&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>One key surely is to make sure you have an instructor that is qualified for the task.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>"Qualified" does not necessarily mean the CFI is fully "up" on your version of avionics and GPS .. although the CFI needs to be proficient enough to not impede your progress.&nbsp; (see note below)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Jeff (like others, I respect Jeff's opinion and value his posts) said in one post "excluding military" ... WHY??&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jeff - <EM>why</EM> not consider the experience of 22 year old kids with no aviation experience (to speak of) who learn instruments in a jet with ONE comm radio, ONE nav radio and no autopilot?&nbsp; At 300 KIAS on downwind, .9 IMN at cruise, and 155 KIAS on final (plus gas).????? </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Oh - the comm radio is NOT "flip-flop" .. once you change freq's, the previous one is gone.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Guys - I would be very comfortable taking any of you into the instrument world in your IV/P.. and I would recommend that over trying to learn in something else.&nbsp; Shoot - you own the plane, right?&nbsp; Why rent someone elses with inferior equipment?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have done 15 hrs or so doing a IFR "redo" in a Super ES and it wouldn't be any different in the IV/P.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The trick may be finding a good IFR instructor that can handle the speeds of the IV.. find someone wiht jet experience would be my advice.&nbsp; Planning the arrival/approach is a significant portion of the training (and one that you will not adequately acquire by training in a spam can).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>(Besides the IV/P, my background includes 9 yrs teaching the world's best pilots to fly in the T-38 for the USAF).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><U>Note:</U></DIV>
<DIV>the early hours of IFR in any airplane are teaching fundamentals; or refreshing such skills.&nbsp; As the CFI, I do my homework on the system in the airplane so that I can explain it forwards/backwards/left-to-right, then I explore the entire system "hands on" while the student is perfecting his/her basic instrument skills (not requiring the nav kit - that's my job at this point).&nbsp; By the time the student is ready to navigate as well as fly, I'm ready to teach the system in his/her airplane...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>my 2 cents... going quiet again...</DIV><BR><BR><P><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#0000bf size=3>Jim McIrvin<BR>cell 210-275-7780</FONT></EM></STRONG><BR>email <A href="mailto:pilot195@rocketmail.com">pilot195@rocketmail.com</A> or <A href="mailto:mcirvinj@swbell.net">mcirvinj@swbell.net</A><BR><A href="http://www.geocities.com/pilot195">www.geocities.com/pilot195</A> </P><p><hr SIZE=1>
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