From: "Marvin Kaye" <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: ifr training in a IV
To: lml
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:00:20 -0400
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Posted for "Andres Katz" <bucker131@hotmail.com>:

having owned a 182 turbo rg for 20 years and having flown over 700 IFR hours 
on it with many hours of instructor refreshing time I can say that there is no 
comparison between platforms. If you get behind (which  happens frequently) 
with the skylane all you need to do is back the throttle and lower flaps and 
you can die 3 times of old age from the IAF to the MAP. I had the controllers 
yell at me to hurry up and put the plane on the ground with heavies behind me 
waiting to land. I never experienced this on my IV. Last week I took my 
biennial flight review and instrument competency check from Smithy (well known 
instructor from the Dallas area) and he likes to cover all usable instruments 
to simulate a partial panel. The IV is definitely not a stable platform. By 
the time we did the last approach I was glad I had support from my autopilot 
to allow me to fetch the chart, set the radios and follow the instructions. 
The plane gets out of a stable flight very rapidly and is not friendly. we 
heard the AOA a couple of times during approaches due to changing speeds. I 
can tell that real instruments conditions can not be extrapolated from a 172 
to a IV. There is no comparison.  Regarding IFR flying and safety, why get a 
rating and not use it? Just came back from a round trip to ELP, KSKX to Dallas 
and at flight level 210 every other cloud had a trace of moisture that stuck 
to the leading edges. You have to make decisions and every flight is a 
challenge. On saturday when I wanted to do ELP to KSKX (Taos in NM) ice and 
airmets with heavy moisture kept me on the ground but sunday was magnificent 
with a GPS approach to Taos that followed the lines on the Garmin 530. A bit 
of icing in the clouds again but scattered. Back to Dallas to a 400 ceiling 
and and ILS to home with plenty of visibility and fortunately no ice but txs 
to the stormscope I avoided all the heavy stuff. If you heard the lady at 
wxbrief you would have stayed in Taos till tuesday. Life is a challenge. If 
you own a IV get your training on it, its imperative.
andres