Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #20617
From: Robert Overmars <robert.overmars@tiscali.it>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: The LIV wing...
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:34:13 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Salutti tutti,
 
The next time when flying your LIV during a quiet moment take a moment and spare a thought for that wing out there that keeps you aloft. It's an amazing piece of design and construction but it works soooh well manipulating air pressures and flows that it keeps the increasingly obese LIV aloft almost effortlessly. (For comparasion here in Italy is a company building a new Frati design four seat aeroplane with a max gross weight of around 2,900 -3,000lbs. The chord of their wing is 50% greater than the LIV wing, the wing span longer by about 3 feet and their design studies indicate they will have trouble meeting the required 61 knots stall speed for a certified aeroplane)  So getting back to our moment of TM in the cockpit of the LIV contemplating the LIV wing just how much wing is actually out there in the breeze? ....and the answer is not as much as you think. Between BL 25.5 and BL171 is 38.87 square feet of wing. Add a square foot or so for the wingtip and we'll call it a nice round 40 sq ft per wing. (If you have winglets add at a guess 5 square feet to total a nice round 44 square feet)
 
But you say I purchased 98 square feet of wing from Lancair!  So what or where is the difference and the answer is "you are sitting on it". By design convention the wing planform that 'passes' through the fuselage is included in the total wing area and if we include this area we come upto the 98 square you purchased from Lancair. It seems to me as the fuselage is nicely placed between BL25.5 port and stbd we are effectively loosing wing area and consequently lift, but some of this lift is undoubtedly replaced by fuselage lift but by how much I don't know. Maybe designers deliberately use only calculated wing area to keep everything simple. If you know more do let me know.
 
Back now to our moment of cockpit TM, we turn our focus to how the fuselage weight and g loads are carried by the wing. Under our seats are two 3/4" bolts which bolt the wing spars to the shear box...plenty strong there. Look now at the couple of bits of prepreg and 6 bid layups that attach the shear box to the fuselage sides and how strong are these?? Ever been tested to the load limit of 9,250 lbs each side?  which is the ultimate load that the wing can exert on these parts before the wing fails. My eyeball engineering suggests not but in the designer I must put my faith, I hope he's correct...but being the sceptic that I am I'd still love to see it tested.
 
Incidentally fellow amateur aeroplane engineers, regarding wing g loads, stall speeds and fuselage loads there may be a factor we've not considered yet  Put the brain into gear and see if you can work out what it is. It's a factor that in straight and level flight is small and is usually disregarded but with a high pitch rate it can become quite large, surprisingly large...I think.
 
Ciao,
 
Roberto d'Italia.
 
psst.....tired of humdrum Lancair speeds?? Wanna go fast...really fast?? Yesterday travelling around Rome came across a place selling second hand machinery with 8 F-104 Starfighters out the front presumably for sale. Will go there to have a proper look one day when the place is open to find out more. 
 
 
 
   
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