Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:20:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2luv2fly@cox.net> Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net ([68.1.17.241] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1b9) with ESMTP id 2473895 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:48:18 -0400 Received: from 308h101 ([68.106.93.123]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030714014816.WYGR13930.lakemtao04.cox.net@308h101>; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:48:16 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <00ee01c349a9$dfdfe980$7b5d6a44@hr.cox.net> From: "Janie & Ed Smith" <2luv2fly@cox.net> X-Original-To: "Lancair List" X-Original-Cc: "Dennis Pratt" Subject: IV-P Door Blowout X-Original-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:47:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C34988.589BEEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C34988.589BEEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 7/13/03 Sunday Evening Pat, A friend of mine, Dennis Pratt, had a similar door problem apx. 3 years = ago. His problem did not originate in the window area (bolt passing = thru window) but was a result of a bad hysol bond between the door skin = and the door stiffener in the forward lower corner of the door. When = the bond separated, the door flexed and subsequently caused the window = to crack with similar results to what you described on your IV-P. = Dennis' window punctured the top layer of carbon and honeycomb in a = couple of places on the top of the wing - no damage to his flap. When = we started dissecting the door to get access to the hardware components = we found several places that did not have complete hysol contact. This = was an incident that was just "waiting to happen". =20 I don't think you will be able to salvage the door stiffener and door = skin because everything should be completely bonded together and I feel = like you would spend more time trying to separate the parts. My = recommendation is to order the new skin and stiffener along with the = window. This is what I did with Dennis' repair. The biggest problem = we had with his repair was making the new stiffener fit the door = opening. In order to maintain the 1/2 inch gap required between the = stiffener and the door frame (gap required for the inflatable seal), we = had to cut the stiffener and push out in several places to obtain the = 1/2 inch gap. I am not familiar with the recommendation to oversize the = bolt holes passing thru the window and fill them with silicone. We = counterbored the bolt holes apx. 3/4 inch in diameter and filled them = with hysol as outlined in chapter 28 of the manual. In my "opinion", = the silicone doesn't offer any support for the fasteners. This in = itself may have placed undue stress on the glass. Dennis has over 800 hours on his IV-P (he travels a lot) and I'm certain = he has over 300 hours since the repair. For what it's worth, I just = finished assembling the door on my IV-P about two months ago and it took = about 3 weeks of work. We still have to fit the latch hardware which = will be completed after gluing the top half on the plane and then, of = course, the finish work. All in all, I estimate my door will take about = half the time it took to build Dennis'. This certainly adds validity to = "the second one is always easier". =20 Regards, Ed Smith Chesapeake, VA ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C34988.589BEEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
7/13/03
Sunday Evening
 
Pat,
 
A friend of mine, Dennis Pratt, had a similar door = problem=20 apx. 3 years ago.  His problem did not originate in the window area = (bolt=20 passing thru window) but was a result of a bad hysol bond between the = door skin=20 and the door stiffener in the forward lower corner of the door.  = When the=20 bond separated, the door flexed and subsequently caused the window to = crack with=20 similar results to what you described on your IV-P.  Dennis' window = punctured the top layer of carbon and honeycomb in a couple of places on = the top=20 of the wing - no damage to his flap.  When we started dissecting = the door=20 to get access to the hardware components we found several places that = did not=20 have complete hysol contact.  This was an incident that was just = "waiting=20 to happen". 
 
I don't think you will be able to salvage the door = stiffener=20 and door skin because everything should be completely bonded together = and I feel=20 like you would spend more time trying to separate the parts.  My=20 recommendation is to order the new skin and stiffener along with the=20 window.   This is what I did with Dennis' repair.  The = biggest=20 problem we had with his repair was making the new stiffener fit the door = opening.  In order to maintain the 1/2 inch gap required between = the=20 stiffener and the door frame (gap required for the inflatable seal), we = had to=20 cut the stiffener and push out in several places to obtain the 1/2 inch=20 gap.  I am not familiar with the recommendation to oversize the = bolt holes=20 passing thru the window and fill them with silicone.  We = counterbored the=20 bolt holes apx. 3/4 inch in diameter and filled them with hysol as = outlined in=20 chapter 28 of the manual.  In my "opinion", the silicone doesn't = offer any=20 support for the fasteners.  This in itself may have placed undue = stress on=20 the glass.
 
Dennis has over 800 hours on his IV-P (he travels a = lot) and=20 I'm certain he has over 300 hours since the repair.  For what it's = worth, I=20 just finished assembling the door on my IV-P about two months ago and it = took=20 about 3 weeks of work.  We still have to fit the latch hardware = which will=20 be completed after gluing the top half on the plane and then, of course, = the=20 finish work.  All in all, I estimate my door will take about half = the time=20 it took to build Dennis'.  This certainly adds validity to "the = second one=20 is always easier". 
 
Regards,
 
Ed Smith
Chesapeake, VA
 
 
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