Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #18585
From: Larry Henney <LHenney@dellepro.com>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] LNC2 Odd Gear Pump Behavior
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:42:01 -0400
To: <lml>
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Lee,
 
I'm not sure that I'm hearing an actual maintenance problem with your hydraulics.  Specifically, your nose gear remaining down longer than the mains is potentially normal because of the gas shock strut's added force.  The entire system pressure (to raise the gear) remains roughly constant at all times.  Therefore, before full gear retraction variable sequencing is probable due to the greater forces holding the nose gear in place.  My mains come up non-symetrically with a noticable yaw during gear retraction.  However, if further trouble shooting is desired I would consider 4 possible areas of failure.
 
1)   How do I determine if the nose cylinder needs rebuilt or replaced?  Assess all 6 cylinders and the free fall vavle for internal leaks (up or down).  This is done fastest by owning 12 AN fitting caps.  Troubleshooting is a series of elimination of offending components individually.  The steady pressure non-chirping pump is a sign of a good internal seals.  Internal leaks are noticed by occasional pump chirp (either up or down).  Of course with hydraulic pressure gauges this can also be assessed rapidly.  The original dump valve supplied in my kit (1996) was rated at 600 psi.  The system running up to 1200 psi caused the dump valve's internal failure.  This failure does not seem related to your symptoms.
 
2)    Several spool valves have been installed backwards.  I would attribute some "quirky" behavior of my system to this.  Such behavior included an occasion gear stuck in the down position after takeoff for no apparent reason.  The system will however work with the spool valve in backwards but responds better with it in correctly.  The fastest way to trouble shoot this is to raise the gear part way.  At about 80% raised reverse the gear handle to down.  Instantaneous pump reversal denotes a correct installation of the spool valve.  A delay of 8-20 seconds would indicate that it is in backwards.
 
3)    The up and down pressure switches have been accused of numerous failures.  I don't know that the "new" switches have any adverse track record.  These are quickly removed from the electrical circuit with a jumper wire.  The switch is nromally closed and should open when adequate pressure is reached, thus turning off the pump.
 
4)     I suppose physical binding or mechanical failure should be your first assessment.  If something is indeed hanging up then it'll talk to you.  Disconnect the hydraulic cylinders individually and check for smooth free operation of all the gear.
 

Larry Henney
LNC2 IO-360
Ft Worth, TX


 
Ok, new symptom today.  Upon gear retraction after take-off this morning it took noticeably longer than normal for the nose gear to start retracting (the down light stayed lit 3-4 seconds longer than normal).  Am I losing my nose gear actuating cylinder?  I don't have the log books handy, but it's my recollection that the nose cylinder was rebuilt about 200 hours ago (by the previous owner).  (Reminder: I didn't build my plane).
 
Lee Metcalfe
N320WH
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