Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:10:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.8.50.175] (HELO mta1.adelphia.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.5) with ESMTP id 2005180 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:38:06 -0500 Received: from worldwinds ([207.175.254.66]) by mta1.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.25 201-253-122-126-125-20021216) with SMTP id <20030131133851.CSQI7272.mta1.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:38:51 -0500 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: more diesels X-Original-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 05:34:53 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 <> The snip above is just to remind the reader of the subject (as if they had to be. I think I'll stop with this one!) George, as usual, said it better than I could, but here are a few other points: My estimation of BSFC for SI engines (George has the real numbers) was assuming a compression ratio of 8.5 to 10, not the 6 that Eric mentions - I don't know of an engine with a compression ratio that low. Engines basically have 3 "limits" that determine the most advanced the spark should go. One is, as previously mentioned, detonation. Second is MBT - there is no reason to advance the spark more than is required for best torque. Third is pre-ignition, not usually a factor in these engines, but common in high performance marine engines; and it is usually aggravated by retarding the spark not advancing. Because the aircraft application is by necessity conservative, most engines are not "octane limited," meaning that they will get to MBT before they reach detonation and is generally a good thing. The PRISM system holds the promise of being able to increase the compression ratio so that in most conditions the detonation limit and MBT could coincide, as the system will protect the engine from detonation. And finally, as George says, running LOP REDUCES the octane requirement, not increases it as Eric says. Gary Casey