Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:21:47 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.139] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.1) with ESMTP id 1880694 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:07:03 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar16-4-47-001-135.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.47.1.135] helo=skipslater) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DdBa-0006Ec-00 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:06:58 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <002001c28eb8$42a484c0$87012f04@earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Skip Slater" From: "Skip Slater" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Better brakes fo ES X-Original-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:09:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C28E75.317D2C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-ELNK-Trace: cbee950bdf563876c8ad50643b1069f8239a348a220c260933274fe82231ae7f29df25a6082023a13ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C28E75.317D2C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, There are better brakes, though I don't have them on my plane as of = yet. They're made by Grove Aircraft in El Cajon, web address = http://www.groveaircraft.com/. Robbie Grove makes brakes and wheels on = CNC machines out of solid aluminum billet. They are beautifully made. = I don't know if he has larger brake pads or what particular brand of = pads he's using, but I can ask when I'm in San Diego tomorrow. When I started flying my plane regularly, I had a terrible shimmy = decelerating through about 35 knots on landing rollouts. After = mistaking it for a nosewheel shimmy, we found that my brand new = Cleveland brakes had an uneven disk on one main mount that was causing = the problem. Since having the disk turned, the rollouts have smoothed = out, but I too took note of the amount of brake force needed to stop the = plane in a reasonable distance. I imagine the IV's have it just as bad = if not worse. The heat buildup from these high pressure brake = applications not only wears down the pads faster but can contribute to = warping the disks. It would seem to me that what's needed are larger brake pads with = possibly an additional caliper to push them. I'll report back to the list with my findings after I talk to Grove = Aircraft about it. Skip Slater N540ES ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C28E75.317D2C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jim,

There are better brakes, = though I=20 don't have them on my plane as of yet. They're made by Grove = Aircraft in=20 El Cajon, web address http://www.groveaircraft.com/.= =20 Robbie Grove makes brakes and wheels on CNC machines out of solid = aluminum=20 billet. They are beautifully made. I don't know if he has = larger=20 brake pads or what particular brand of pads he's using, but I can ask = when I'm=20 in San Diego tomorrow.

When I started flying my = plane=20 regularly, I had a terrible shimmy decelerating through about 35 knots = on=20 landing rollouts. After mistaking it for a nosewheel shimmy, we = found that=20 my brand new Cleveland brakes had an uneven disk on one main mount that = was=20 causing the problem. Since having the disk turned, the = rollouts have=20 smoothed out, but I too took note of the amount of brake = force=20 needed to stop the plane in a reasonable distance. I imagine = the IV's=20 have it just as bad if not worse. The heat buildup from these high = pressure brake applications not only wears down the pads faster but can=20 contribute to warping the disks.

It would seem to me that = what's needed=20 are larger brake pads with possibly an additional caliper to push=20 them.

I'll report back to the = list with my=20 findings after I talk to Grove Aircraft about it.

Skip Slater

= N540ES

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