Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:39:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.84] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b2) with ESMTP id 1295201 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:06:56 -0400 Received: from lsanca1-ar16-4-47-001-089.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.47.1.89] helo=skip) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17JojA-00051Z-00 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:06:57 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <000a01c215bd$01dda3a0$9200a8c0@skip> From: "Skip Slater" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: stalls X-Original-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:08:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 One problem I see in pilots who are talking about inadvertent spins is identifying what is and isn't a spin. There's a big difference between a fully developed spin and a post stall gyration, which is what you usually get when a wing falls off at stall. The nose drops, the plane may flip inverted and next thing you know you're staring at a windshield full of earth. Most spins require positive control inputs to enter (full aft stick and full rudder at the stall) and I don't think that's what happens the vast majority of the time. Where a lot of pilots screw up here is applying anti-spin controls when all that's needed is to center everything, let the plane stabilize and then do an unusual attitude recovery. By applying anti-spin controls, you can easily induce a spin in the opposite direction of your gyration and really have the situation go to hell in a hand basket in a hurry. The key to identifying what is and isn't a spin is your ball. If it isn't pegged to one side or another, you're not spinning. If this is the case, take a deep breath, relax the controls and give the plane a few seconds to pick up some speed and stabilize, then recover normally. It may not be comfortable, but it sure beats what will follow if you hamburger up the recovery. If you ARE in a spin, go neutral to forward stick and step on the rudder opposite where your ball is. At the first sign of recovery, neutralize the controls or you may start spinning in the other direction. You'll likely be in a very nose low attitude when you stabilize. Level the wings and smoothly pull the nose back to the horizon. It's seeing and practicing stuff like this that will allow you to avoid total panic if your plane puts you in an attitude you've never seen. The best way to learn and practice it is to take advantage of one of the many schools that teaches these things along with aerobatics. You can learn in an aerobatic plane like a Pitts or Citabria, wearing a chute and with a qualified instructor. Not only will it boost your self confidence to recover from an unexpected upset, but you'll be able to identify what kind of departure from controlled flight you're dealing with and apply the correct controls instinctively before you chew up several thousand feet of sometimes unnecessary altitude loss as a result of an improper recovery. One last word- this is NOT something to try to learn in your Lancair. I would never advocate an intentional spin in one at all. My recommendation would be to take a couple of training flights like I mentioned above, then go up to a safe altitude and learn the stall characteristics of your plane, preferably with an instructor onboard. Some people suggest that you never enter that part of the envelope. I personally beg to differ with that. I want to know beforehand and at a safe recovery altitude what to expect from any plane I fly. To stick your head in the sand and hope you never go there is to leave yourself unprepared to deal with a situation that easily kill you. That's my .02 worth. Skip Slater