Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [198.207.223.228] (HELO babbler.bmc.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b2) with ESMTP id 1290056 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:09:22 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by babbler.bmc.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5BGDb402167 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:13:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pdavis.bmc.com (pdavis@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5BG9Kj21950 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:09:21 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <200206111609.g5BG9Kj21950@localhost.localdomain> X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: pdavis owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Pgp-Action: PGP/MIME-signclear; rfc822=off; originator="Paul Davis " From: "Paul Davis" Reply-to: "Paul Davis" X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net (Lancair Mailing List) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Left Throttle, Right Stick In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:11:48 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:09:20 -0500 The author of the paper I mentioned would prefer that we not suck him into this discussion. Certainly understandable as I'm not very happy to be in it myself. Besides, I doubt that anyone else would be really interested in the details. (Okay, so I'm weird.) The author did say that I may post a summary of his e-mail (a = summary of a summary). Summary on The research was conducted for NASA primarily to investigate the viability of side-stick controllers in GA aircraft. "A force-feel side stick controller (using hydraulics for force=A0feed back)=A0was=A0mounted=A0in three different locations=A0for a=A0pilot seat= ed in the left seat.=A0=A0=A0Stick locations were=A0on=A0his left side, in the = center (as in the space shuttle), and on the right side of the pilot.=A0 A fairly sophisticated motion based simulator was used." [It isn't clear to me whether this refers to the flight model or full-motion "feel".] "Flights were also flown with a standard force-feel yoke and center floor mounted stick." =A0 Both left and right dominant pilots were tested on typical (IFR/VFR) tasks and the motion base was driven by various wind conditions. The authors "bottom line" was that even pilots who swore they = couldn't fly with the left hand [assume right dominant pilots] agreed = withing ten minutes into the simulation that they reached the point = where using the left hand seemed second nature [which agrees with = numerous posts to this list]. Though "considerable data" was recorded no discernible differences were noted between stick locations. Most right-handed pilots preferred flying left handed while performing tasks such as tuning radios and copying clearances [me too]. Of particular interest was that "the recorded data showed consistant better tracking, tighter closed loop control, and faster response/reactions using the side=A0stick over the yoke" [which also agrees with my prejudices]. The side stick was only slightly better than center stick. Summary off In some respects this still leaves me with the same questions with which I started. The summary makes no mention of landings -- referring only to "typical pilot flying tasks (IFR/VFR)" [which might well have included landings]. And I'm a bit disappointed that this research apparently didn't explore right up to the edge of performance limits (i.e. pushing the envelope into failure modes ). Again, the only analogous boundary situations for which I've seen data do show variance. But this is as good as we're likely to get. ------------------- Paul Davis Lancair Legacy builder pdavis@bmc.com Phone 713-918-1550 ------------------- Qui dedit beneficium taceat; narrat qui accepit Let him who has given a favor be silent; let he who has received it tell = it