Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 870955 for rob@logan.com; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:40:54 -0400 Received: from siaag2ad.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.134]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:27:42 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id OAA22823 for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:35:40 -0400 From: Marvin Kaye <74740.231@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: LNC2 gear retract Sender: Marvin Kaye <74740.231@compuserve.com> To: Lancair Mail List Message-ID: <200109261438_MC3-E14C-A9C0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Posted for Sky2high@aol.com: Matt, Arnie (Lancair 360) had a similar problem on our Flight-of-two return from the Reno Stay-on-the-Ground Races. He first had a no-retract problem on his IFR departure from Ogden, Utah and then we spent Sunday resolving the problem enough to fly home. He tried everything in the air including releasing the pressure with the dump valve. On the ground, even the gear down function would not work until we jumpered the pressure switch and ran the pump with the dump valve opened. Voltage measurements indicated the up (high) pressure switch (old version 2) would not close and Don Goetz suggestion was followed - to wit, we obtained some wire and a discarded Cessa switch and bypassed the pressure switch with the plan that Arnie would know when the gear was retracted and the shut off the switch just like the pressure sensor would. Unfortunately, the "up" relay was also bad and the courtesy car took us to an Auto-Zone where the "old guy" (used to fly a Luscombe) knew exactly what we needed - an older Ford starter relay with switch and indicate terminals. Replacement wasn't too difficult (my muscles still hurt) to jury rig. This condition was the least of our problems for the remainder of our fly-in-the-weather IFR serial-punishment trip home starting the next day. I am memorializing this in the soon-to-be-released "Diary of an Odyssey". Analysis - Arnie would occasionly pull the 50 amp motor breaker, but not the relay breaker wired thru the "miscellaneous" breaker. Please, wire the relay power on the far side of the motor breaker with a breaker or fuse so that pulling the motor breaker will remove all power from the system. Intermittent relays do strange things if selected for a long period of time. Your system will not indicate any selection. Heat will cause the wire insulation to melt within the relay and ultimately freeze the plunger, perhaps open, perhaps closed. Secondly, for God's sake, protect the indicator light wire with a fuse since you didn't use wire capable of carrying 50 amps. Also, use diodes to protect that you don't back-feed the motor thru the other indicator wire. BTW, there was no indication of imminent failure from the prior day's flight, where everything worked "normally." Scott Krueger N92EX We cannot flee unless we fix it on the fly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>