Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #8744
From: Steve Brooks <steve@tsisp.com>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: blow off
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:38:24 -0400
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Rusty & John,
I have a pop off valve on my installation which is there in the likely event that the waste gate can't dump enough boost.  I agree with Rusty that a POV is not an acceptable method of boost control, but is a very good safety device.  I don't really think that it would unload the turbine when it opens, because of two factors.  One, mine pop off valve doesn't just jump open, it starts opening at 8 lbs, but takes about 10-11 before opening all the way.  Two - even when open all the way, it is restricted by the outlet on just how much it can dump.  It certainly wouldn't unload the turbine IMHO.
 
If you weight the option of having the POV valve open in flight vs over boosting the engine, it is a no brainer.  I'll take the POV.
 
Steve Brooks
 
 
 
 Hey Rusty,
Do you still have that blow off valve?
John  
 
Never had one :-) 
 
Technically, what I had was a "Pop off valve", or "relief valve".   A relief valve, is just a spring loaded valve, that dumps pressure over a certain amount.  This is used as a final safety valve on some cars, but not RX-7's.  A blow off valve is something that's standard issue on turbocharged cars, but probably not needed on airplanes.   A BOV is vacuum actuated, and is used to dump the pressure when slamming the throttle shut, such as between gear shifts.  This saves the turbo from sudden over-pressure. 
 
I still have the relief valve, and I will certainly sell it to you, but I have to stress that this is NOT a fix to the problem.  Opening the outlet side of the turbo causes overspeed of the turbine, which is bad, and this is never considered an acceptable method of turbo control.  It also isn't desirable for aircraft, because this is a differential device, meaning that it looks at pressure compared to ambient.  In other words, it adds a certain amount of boost, which falls as you climb, just like a NA engine. 
 
I would urge you, and everyone else that's trying to use a stock turbo, to look into modifications that reduce the boost level at low rpm.  Ed has posted links to a place in Oz that does this, and I'm sure there are folks in the US that can do the same thing.  Unless you can modify the turbo to be controllable, it's not safe.  We don't want the Subaru guys posting your off-airport landing :-)
 
Cheers,
Rusty (I need a plenum)
 
 
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