Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao12.cox.net ([68.230.241.27] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b2) with ESMTP id 3208152 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 06 May 2004 00:19:07 -0400 Received: from BigAl ([68.107.116.221]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040506041857.KSYW23256.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@BigAl> for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 00:18:57 -0400 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: [FlyRotary] Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:19:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c43321$489fdc30$6400a8c0@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C432E6.9C410430" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C432E6.9C410430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [FlyRotary] =20 Dave, =20 It sounds like you have a lean surge region. Engine will drop down in = rpm to where the fuel Map provides ample fuel, the engine produces more = power and starts to accelerate and at some higher rpm enters a region of insufficient fuel delivery where the engine can not maintain that rpm = and starts to decrease. As the engine drops in rpm it again encounters a = region where sufficient fuel exists and starts to accelerate again, repeats, = etc. =20 OK, this I understand. =20 Here is what I believe is happening. In my case, When the engine is = both low in rpm and low in manifold pressure (15" or below) the idle is fine. However, if I lower the engine rpm even more the manifold pressure = actually starts to increase (may go over 17"). =20 =20 This I don't understand.=20 =20 Tracy's EC2 actually computes the fuel injector pulse duration based on manifold pressure sensed (RPM = simply determines the rate that the injectors are triggered). So as the = engine rpm is lowered (it should require less fuel). But, past a certain point lowering the rpm causes the manifold pressure to start to increase = (engine speed is simply not sufficient to maintain the lower manifold pressure)=20 =20 Normally one would decrease rpm by further lowering the MAP by further closing of the throttle plate. Do you mean you reduce the rpm by some = means other than decreasing manifold pressure? Like changing the mixture? when that happens the EC2 senses that INCREASE in manifold pressure and = treats the increase as a demand for more fuel when in reality the new lower rpm requires proportionately less fuel. This gives you an overly rich = condition so you reduce the air/fuel ratio with you mixture knob. When you do = that you reduce the mixture sufficiently from the overly rich side to cause = the engine to increase in rpm this may cause the manifold pressure to = actually decrease (goes say from 17" to 15" as the rpm picks up a bit). Manifold pressure decrease causes less fuel to be injected causing a lean region = and engine dies back in rpm, etc.. =20 After sufficient leaning, I was able to get my engine to run OK on the = dyno at low rpm with the 550cc/min injectors (primary in the housing); with = fixed 40psi fuel pressure. The issue I couldn't resolve was the 'overshoot' - decelerating from a higher rpm and MAP going to a level below where I = could make an adjustment - resulting in the engine dying. The EM-2 is going = to allow me to resolve that; right? =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C432E6.9C410430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [FlyRotary]

 

Dave,

 

  It sounds like you have a lean surge region.  Engine will drop down = in rpm

to where  the fuel Map provides ample fuel, the engine produces more = power

and starts to accelerate and at some higher rpm enters a region = of

insufficient fuel delivery where the engine can not maintain that rpm = and

starts to decrease.  As the engine drops in rpm it again encounters a = region

where sufficient fuel exists and starts to accelerate again, repeats, = etc.

 

OK, this I = understand.

 

Here is what I believe is happening.  In my case, When the engine is = both

low in rpm and low in manifold pressure (15" or below) the idle is = fine.

However, if I lower the engine rpm even more the manifold pressure = actually

starts to increase (may go over 17"). 

 

This I don’t understand.

 

Tracy's EC2 actually computes the

fuel injector pulse duration based on manifold pressure sensed (RPM = simply

determines the rate that the  injectors are triggered).  So as the = engine

rpm is lowered (it should require less fuel).  But, past a certain = point

lowering the rpm causes the manifold pressure to start to increase = (engine

speed is simply not sufficient to maintain the lower manifold pressure) =

 

Normally one = would decrease rpm by further lowering the MAP by further closing of the = throttle plate.  Do you mean you reduce the rpm by some means other than = decreasing manifold pressure?  Like changing the = mixture?

when

that happens the EC2 senses that INCREASE in manifold pressure and = treats

the increase as a demand for more fuel when in reality the new lower = rpm

requires proportionately less fuel.  This gives you an overly rich = condition

so you reduce the air/fuel ratio with you mixture knob.  When you do = that

you reduce the mixture sufficiently from the overly rich side to cause = the

engine to increase in rpm this may cause the manifold pressure to = actually

decrease (goes say from 17" to 15" as the rpm picks up a bit).  = Manifold

pressure decrease causes less fuel to be injected causing a lean region = and

engine dies back in rpm, etc..

 

After = sufficient leaning, I was able to get my engine to run OK on the dyno at low rpm = with the 550cc/min injectors (primary in the housing); with fixed 40psi fuel = pressure.  The issue I couldn’t resolve was the ‘overshoot’ = – decelerating from a higher rpm and MAP going to a level below where I could make an = adjustment – resulting in the engine dying.  The EM-2 is going to allow = me to resolve that; right?

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