Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #6846
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] One step forward and .9 steps back.
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 08:18:55 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Subject: [FlyRotary] One step forward and .9 steps back.

While trying to solve the low RPM running of my engine I thought maybe my EGR ports were not plugged well so I spent a day taking off the turbo and manifold, more thoroughly blocking the EGR - no effect.  I was also able to set the injector transition below idle.  It runs the same on either the primay or secondary injectors.  The timming is checked with a light, and both sets of plugs seem to be working properly.

Here are my current issues submitted for your perusal:

Problem 1:  It runs great over about 1900-2000 RPM, but slowing down through that speed (a MAP of about 14) it begins to run rough and requires an extra rich mixture to run at all.  The MAP also goes up to about 17 or 18 despite a fall in RPM.  It is as if when the RPM gets low it cant suck enough vacuum then the computer starts using the wrong part of the MAP table.  I am about ready to set the idle at 2000 and say problem solved.  Sound reasonable or is something wrong?

 
Set it for 1900-2000 idle and press on.  With my latest manifold it will idle (poorly) down to around 1100 rpm (appears to be too rich), but there is really no reason not to idle at 2000 rpm, the fuel saved between 2000 rpm and say 1600 rpm for the amount of time you will spend at idle is almost undetectable.  With just a prop as a flywheel mass, the engine just seems happier with a bit more rpm for idle.  Perry can idle at a lower rpm with his direct drive because as best I recall he uses the more massive Manual transmission flywheel (20 lbs?)

Problem 2:  I was very disappointed to discover that turning off the alternator makes the engine barely run, especially with any other electrical load, even with 2 batteries connected.   They are fresh healthy batteries.  The voltage drops from 14.2 to 11.5.  If running at less than 2300 RPM when the alternator is turned off the engine begins to surge or stops running all together (however, running on just one set of coils improves the problem.)  If running at higher RPM the engine will just sag a little.

 
I agree this is your most serious issue in my opinion.  With two batteries (17AH), my engine did not even notice that the alternator is not on line.  However, my voltage does drop from the alternator 14.4 to the battery 12.3 volts.  I have no idea how much current the LS1 coils draw, but the Mazda coils appears to be in the vicinity of 5 amps average.  The fuel pump would add another 5-7 amps depending.  Injectors would probably average 2-4 amps (depending on whether the low impedance or high).  So if my figures are anywhere close a fully charged 17 AH battery should  last at least 30-45 minutes without alternator. Two should, of course last longer.
 
I would have no less size than #4 cable running from my battery to the bus.  Any smaller and your nominal current draw could cause a voltage drop.  Also check your wiring and make certain both batteries are actually on-line and servicing your high amp components. 
 
I wonder if the LS1 coils have a higher minimum voltage than the stock.  Perhaps they take a higher current surge to saturate the magnetic core?

This calls in serious issues about my electrical reliability.  I may decide to install a switch to disable one set of coils, or trading the momentary switch that came with the EC2 to a regular 3 position switch.  Those LS1 Coils sure do seem to need a lot of Juice.

Problem 3: (THE BIG PROBLEM) My coolant doesn't seem to be flowing well, despite the fact that I have no thermostat and have welded the bypass passage in the pump housing.  I ran for almost an hour at 3000 RPM with no apparent problem.  Going up to 4000 RPM after that the coolant quickly overheated and boiled over.  Surprisingly, the radiator was just luke-warm.  Now I am really worried.  I remember that someone else recently was having a similar problem but I lost track of how it was solved.  I am considering some possible causes.  A) My AN-16 hose (engine to Rad) maybe is just not big enough - unlikely because the fitting on the rad doesn't even get warm.  B)  the Water pump sold to me by Adkins is really for a 3rd gen and is running backward. - possible because the outlet side of the rad seems to get warmer than the inlet side, but only slightly maybe and it is closer to the turbo.  C)  I have a flap of rubber partially blocking the outlet hose.  D)  The pump just refuses to properly prime itself.  E) Maybe the thermostat bypass passage is not properly welded closed. - can't see it because of the welded plate, will have to look with a dental mirror.  F) ???? any input or other ideas?
Regarding cooling:  A.  The AN-16 should be plenty and not a part of the problem  B:  Don't know on this one but I would presume the pump would be a bit less efficient if running backwards - perhaps not enough to cause these types of problems, but on theother hand it wouldn't be helping. C: Could be I suppose, but I doubt it. Hard to say about the rest. 
Dave, a possibility that might account for the symptoms you are seeing is air trapped in the cooling system.  If your coolant is getting hot enough to boil but your radiators are only luke warm, then entrapped air could account for many of the symptoms you are seeing.  In my system, you can feel the sides of the radiator tanks and determine how much coolant is in the radiator.  Its hot where the coolant is and only warm to cool where it has not reached.  Typically on a refill of the coolant system only 2/3 of the radiator is initially filled with coolant.  It takes me 2-3 runs around >3000 rpm to flush the air out.
Fill up your header tank, run the engine at 3000-4000 rpm for 30 sec or so and then see if the level of fluid in your tank has gone down or remains the same.  If it goes down (replaced by air) then you have air in your system and I would continue this until the coolant level does not change.  Only thing I can think to advise you to try.
 
Ed Anderson

Dave Leonard (still rather be working on these issues than shaping that exit duct)


 

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