Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #684
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] water pressure
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:45:10 -0500
To: <flyrotary>
Hard to say, Peter
 
   You may have a problem or may not.   After some flights my coolant pressure will remain at 7-10 psi for days or even weeks, other times it goes down as soon after I shut down the engine.  I also have my coolant pressure go as high as 20 psi on start up (long before the coolant would be hot enough, you would think).  My first thought was that I had a leak in one of the coolant "O" rings that was permitting the combustion gases to pressurize the coolant system. 
 
    I have now been flying with those conditions for over 80 hours.  However, on this engine (91 turbo II) there has been  no lost of coolant and the pressure drops to an average of 5-7 psi in flight and sometimes when the coolant and oil temps drop below 160F - no coolant pressure shows (I do not have a thermosat).  By increase the power/rpm the temps will rise and the pressure gauge will start showing pressure again.
 
My theory (so you know what that is worth) is that if you have been successfull in evacuating all the air from the coolant system then you have essentially an incompressible liquid left (actually, there is still a small amount of air remaining, in solution with the coolant, if nowhere else).  So I believe even the the coolant pump running could create pressure readings depending on where you have your sensor.   I notice that if the pressure is up around 20 psi immediatly after starting the engine and (after warming the engine up) I reve it to 5200 rpm that the coolant pressure drops to 5-7 psi while at the higher rpms.  It would seem to me that if the pressure I am seeing on start up were truly combustion gases leaking past the "O" ring then at 5200 rpm the pressure should increase - not decrease. Plus the fact that the coolant pressure when flying is never higher than 15 psi leads me to believe that this may not be a problem as it first seems.
 
 Now I could be all wet with this theory, but I would look for other signs of a true problem.  Are you seeing any green coolant leaks around your intake or exhaust system.  Any signs of bubbles or exhaust smell when you open your radiator cap?? Etc.
 
The reason I think the pressure decreases (In my installation)when I reve the engine is that I have my pressure sensor in my header tank.  My header tank ties in to my coolant line with a "T" just before the pump intake.  So I believe that the flow of high speed coolant past the opening of the "T" tends to create a low pressure area in the header tank where my sensor is located.
 
On a previous engine (an 86 NA) I did develop a coolant "O" ring leak when I badly ( and several times) overheated the engine.  It caused me to slowly lose coolant at a gradually increasing amount on each flight and eventually forced me to tear down the engine. Also, green coolant began leaking from my exhaust pipe which cinched the diagnosis of a coolant "O" ring problem. I found the leak next to the exhaust port in the inner coolant "O" ring.  So after that I went with the Tefolon Coated Silicon "O" rings from Hayes and believe they have held up.
 
So don't know if my experience helps any, but there you have it for what it may be worth.
 
Ed Anderson
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:53 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] water pressure

Today I'm seeing some different characteristics in the water pressure readings. Used to be that after cooling down I could see 4 or 5 lbs pressure for many days and I don't think increasing pressure after start up was tied to rpm. Now pressure drops instantly on shutdown and is closely tied to rpm to max of 15lbs as the engine is reved up. This looks bad to me although temps in flight are fine. What do you think?
Peter
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