X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] From: "Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com" Received: from pmg.Logan.com ([207.170.160.161] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.4.0) with ESMTPS id 3785198 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 12 Jan 2025 02:03:56 -0500 Received: from pmg.Logan.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg.Logan.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 587383465F for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2025 02:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received-SPF: pass (gmail.com ... _spf.google.com: Sender is authorized to use 'stephen.izett@gmail.com' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism 'include:_netblocks.google.com' matched)) receiver=pmg.Logan.com; identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="stephen.izett@gmail.com"; helo=mail-pl1-f171.google.com; client-ip=209.85.214.171 Received: from mail-pl1-f171.google.com (mail-pl1-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by pmg.Logan.com (Proxmox) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2025 02:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pl1-f171.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-21644aca3a0so72173635ad.3 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2025 23:03:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1736665428; x=1737270228; darn=lancaironline.net; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=d4lH2N+v9YETNMi2X1govWpCuBHlQmMMw2q8w28X3qU=; b=QZEAcLVpvCB/ZHYVPQ0eb1tZhYPG7uLqps5wjZCko3qgRuQyQAGnUtPhP36ormlvh7 145rqCxwG4TPFRaIG38S8GBpVJg/5AapI98mpvbciw0xcill4H66OVqKkUY9RriDmh0t BoVy4YhCA8qAb1V+PdTbGPiksYTjxMQMhXICEWS16GMCKtasnuHz2C/tkqs+AWOxYJ4K FebFnT9vkBwVW2JJGPUmj/1fpFZXm/eQNqQW8H0oYvxylYFbjeKgefu67H0VeCYTLV5p gv+GV/3y60eNgB9f/SxX20VVFGg1QQEYzLwTHwUpP3Q//2eUkr4R1EPuzKnd7PNMGw0z xvuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1736665428; x=1737270228; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=d4lH2N+v9YETNMi2X1govWpCuBHlQmMMw2q8w28X3qU=; b=uGYSe15N+x6U8mWmof9GUdd2yrFauEYkPGKBtdNxjGVwAbTEOLN74GijFeO7qqy7mv LTEesBpaSXBBVLKtuvNn4NY8SXoPEAqiRbNM6w8Ohnzy76M5GebXV4/dUiD4CK0dYAPN bfcHKMNIRHTVDzS0SScBDBheYA3Tg3MG4Ecu8Evqo+nMYKI0sa29wQyEqNxYbUsCagH4 O+pqon/LRN9F2lVe/ocACRi7Nci4+Ekc7PMrNwWkGj60WgkRrtgBOYneYFzBOqOhS0gU XUMXSJjJcX7YbmLl+e6l04hlOi5DdneYt98w2ySe1p8aTzfWmJdmCbYRvrpLfN40irz7 hKcA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwJ9bvNXus8JgzSZr83voFF9t7YH/xHGliPdjJAeQMeg5sKCjLX AWemB7Sr2S9Ox4Xgcb6Eo8lGfGLpglcukTiB46IKvbLQ+u1VQlrhvRhN/Q== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncv1N9h0vk/7x0heljUJz+BYii45mI8z1i1IPVC4bUCAbSEjJ7lSzmsNh9c7Lw4 U8HKCN61fddzGYJl8m1wpqZh9A6W7fzNgrb7rW7Lr5KaSJgAm05ySWpGBlQLEzzYmy1IYPtRt9P vUcT1SqFw2TztzMbfKGJpQYSgXI3nABQuf2qd11Asa0Nh3cvQR94Xh0Yv3q04e6CV7wj172OmJY EFc3np45LZ36BtKcxs0AdWBqsJJ76bOtNGPuL1nx2AUWgqvW8+lJOgiWyZ80nYzF71KmdIRHHBM tA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF39E0yE5Rz29y+GXpmdHrAS5juCsxV8HawzwKRBcFbD/Abu6WpklG7W2DIolJiFaxSEphHpQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a21:789a:b0:1e1:bf32:7d3a with SMTP id adf61e73a8af0-1e88d0478d0mr25969534637.26.1736665428565; Sat, 11 Jan 2025 23:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([1.127.104.167]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d2e1a72fcca58-72d40683254sm3918051b3a.140.2025.01.11.23.03.47 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Jan 2025 23:03:48 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.200.121\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Flexplate cracks Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:03:34 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1C72A6ED-5E29-43AF-B4D9-D3DF29D44764@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.200.121) X-SPAM-LEVEL: Spam detection results: 0 AWL 0.744 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain DKIM_VALID_EF -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from envelope-from domain DMARC_PASS -0.1 DMARC pass policy FREEMAIL_FROM 0.001 Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider KAM_MXURI 1.5 URI begins with a mail exchange prefix, i.e. mx.[...] RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 -1.798 Average reputation (+2) SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001 SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record SPF_PASS -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF record WEIRD_PORT 0.001 Uses non-standard port number for HTTP Thanks very much Steve I recall something about concern over the material and the soft rivets. Thanks Steve > On 12 Jan 2025, at 2:38=E2=80=AFpm, Steven W. Boese SBoese@uwyo.edu = wrote: >=20 > Steve, >=20 > The same splined part is in the larger photo and the smaller photo = with the spacer. It was cut from a C4 drum. Tracy used soft rivets to = attach the splined part to the aluminum damper plate because he was = concerned with the strength of the splined part material. I didn=E2=80=99= t turn down the flange to 5=E2=80=9D in order to maintain as much = strength as possible although that may not be necessary. >=20 > Steve Boese=20 >=20 >> On Jan 11, 2025, at 9:56=E2=80=AFPM, Stephen Izett = stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF=E2=97=86 This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. = Please exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from = external sources. >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks for the resonance data and photos Steve. >>=20 >> A questions. I=E2=80=99m thinking the larger photo of the original C4 = splined female part was what I was thinking of doing. >> Ie. Removing Tracy's rivets and turning it down before drilling the 6 = holes to match the Eccentric shaft. >> Is the original splined part from the C4 also in the photo with a = spacer? Or is this another different part? >>=20 >> Thanks Steve >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 12 Jan 2025, at 8:43=E2=80=AFam, Steven W. Boese SBoese@uwyo.edu = wrote: >>>=20 >>> When the Flexplate is bolted to the eccentric shaft without the = damper plate it rings with frequencies of around 320 and 1340 Hz. It = doesn=E2=80=99t ring with the damper attached. >>> This gives the possibility that the Flexplate without the damper may = resonate being excited by the engine harmonics at rpm ranges normally = used in flight. Such resonance could accelerate Flexplate cracking. = For this reason, I would be reluctant to eliminate the damper while = retaining the Flexplate. Converting to Tracy=E2=80=99s recent solid = coupling design may best be done by also replacing the Flexplate with a = manual transmission flywheel. >>>=20 >>> The photo shows a couple of possibilities to convert to a solid = coupling while retaining the original splined input shaft. The = thickness of the aluminum spacer or the steel part can be adjusted to = accommodate the thickness of a flywheel. >>>=20 >>> Steve Boese >>>=20 >>> >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > =20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html