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See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [flyrotary.com,lancaironline.net] WEIRD_PORT 0.001 Uses non-standard port number for HTTP Hi M I was wondering the same thing.=20 What I discovered first of all was that flex plates are designed to flex = (funny that) and cracking is not limited to our setup.=20 There are companies that specialise in stronger flex plates, = particularly for modified and higher horsepower engines. Since our engines are being used at a higher horsepower per unit time = and therefore higher stress (assumption) perhaps our setup could be = likened to race applications. But then our hours of use would be significantly lower (assumption) than = an average vehicle, but perhaps not a race application. Is the cracking we are seeing consistent with race applications? But = they dont race automatics, do they? So my take on this is that perhaps the flexing of the plate in our setup = is to some extent higher than OEM. Our options seem to be: 1. Replacing the OEM flex plate with a stronger part. Steve B being the = latest going down that track and in his case also removing the rubber = isolation in the process. 2. Connect direct to the eccentric shaft and therefore taking the stress = off the Flex Plate doing away with the damping mechanism which Tracy = did, and perhaps is still doing. Would be real nice to know. Like M, I would appreciate hearing what others know or are thinking or = doing. Steve Izett > On 10 Jan 2025, at 2:15=E2=80=AFam, Marc Wiese cardmarc@charter.net = wrote: >=20 > Has the cause of these cracks been uncovered, and if so, what is the = current thinking on it? An AL racing plate? > M > Sent from my iPhone >=20 >> On Jan 9, 2025, at 1:31=E2=80=AFAM, Steven W. Boese SBoese@uwyo.edu = wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFSteve, >>=20 >> I didn=E2=80=99t see the cracks prior to disassembly and doubt that = they could have been seen on the counterweight side very well -if at = all- when assembled. >>=20 >> I replaced the Flexplate with a steel flywheel about a year ago. = Since then, I replaced the four rubber dampers with machined aluminum = discs giving a solid connection and then dynamically balanced the = system. This was done because maintaining a dynamic balance wasn=E2=80=99= t possible with the dampers. Only a few hours of flight have occurred = in this configuration so far and there has been no indication of = problems resulting from this change. >>=20 >> Steve Boese >>=20 >>> On Jan 8, 2025, at 11:03=E2=80=AFPM, Stephen Izett = stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BF=E2=97=86 This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. = Please exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from = external sources. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hi Steve >>>=20 >>> Is this recent then? >>>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99m not able to get to my aircraft at present to check my = flex plate which has probably seen 50 hours of service. >>>=20 >>> Was it possible to see these cracks assembled? >>>=20 >>> I would appreciate your reflections on Tracys latter choice to = remove the damper, and particularly when using a timber/glass prop such = as an MT. >>>=20 >>> It would be great to have an update and current info from Tracy = regarding his no damper hours if anyone can contact him. >>>=20 >>> Very helpful, thanks again Steve >>>=20 >>> Steve >>=20 >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html