X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] From: "Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com" Received: from mail-ej1-f47.google.com ([209.85.218.47] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.4.0) with ESMTPS id 2514949 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 15:36:52 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.218.47; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-ej1-f47.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-9c603e2354fso17596666b.1 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 12:36:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697744194; x=1698348994; darn=lancaironline.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=qUKCXSOBHTdr7ebiTYWQs9w0MAwb2qOn/hXg1dquZKc=; b=a7UwvZetqFPmZYVAENNip8eLXIOuNci0ap4a6hSWYsZ2SPfaFpDJEAS75lBQBksITa U1odyOAVDiCHYOOtVIjrwF1HSQQmSAIBiNCsxOVni4HzrQGZbQbCgIK6fkb7BaYodzTy Zc8zDQf++nDzVJGkPUOklDxFO3KumB6FWoQNuIX+XYxX6N+ldNSmu52ENWILYY4KcD4T 156M0Sw6Fy1kf7EqHyy6oFzws42h/EcyGFPHI9F0ENO2ZXCKStXpIj8h6m8cDao6cWb5 d4fAhpaQIZBj8cYlNAz9Btjn1GzGe6a75sh0Vp2hMnJTPUcwUCFmlve9iKUbvqsCl0ZD oRzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697744194; x=1698348994; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=qUKCXSOBHTdr7ebiTYWQs9w0MAwb2qOn/hXg1dquZKc=; b=ex5JT8vCYo0A1GeDAHhJ9/Rz8XXlU4ecn/mDFF0xJCpJ05mm+XPl5TQAZirKq8Wgi4 YvoWiMGKR1min1E7cYMUeviGB5wTocxBqvWYo1irWPbVwp/aMqx6WxCNBZdWtjX6irE3 mFMUubHcQX4UvXF/nEPYd7WjZwtZLa9y3c5zxAtGglgk5+LTXNY2HkSyyW0IIXTPfvk6 D+4H3hdanfwqoUIVT8cBDl2KnUc+iwu6nuVbLIxFXw+/ZnLKAXF2FnToqQHzxOF8SH0W QKEwP9Fw1aSEqeJrXrz+O/moHrgrpo5xCjH45eeHhHrEGGE8emP3aQ3paS6xGZQtreZR dvkw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yyyl0ztdeQo6Tk1vM5frQU3d4kxM0vNjv1UUmlcnXi5JmqdfvrT 6yKrjAfjv7A4Mg0xtGN0gZBOaIZZtZjHRTR6kdnqacAi X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGsopLJNUVUsyH5fjJ1BndZVWGM7D+Prd2oPapGGIaRdIYQn82RwACANBFsOdA8CchKBwTCHHEIx/9HRcTxamg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:6a13:b0:9ad:8a96:ad55 with SMTP id qw19-20020a1709066a1300b009ad8a96ad55mr2888398ejc.14.1697744194395; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 12:36:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 14:36:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Potential alternate solutions for oil cooling and oil filter mount To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a06051060816df96" --000000000000a06051060816df96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for the late reply; been a bit distracted the last few days. I really don't know about the continuous thing, but that particular item was for a US-brand vehicle, and 'word on the street' about engine testing at major car mfgrs these days is that it's far more abusive than anything we could likely achieve in a/c. One test (just one of many) that's been mentioned is running for hundreds of hours, alternating between max power and max torque, stopping only for oil changes at the 'book' interval. Charlie Of course, dumping that oil heat load into the water means a significantly bigger water radiator would be required. On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 1:39=E2=80=AFPM Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net= < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > How much heat ( % ) of total is normally rejected for a piston engine? > You say rated for 280HP. Is that 280HP continuous? > > Finn > > On 10/15/2023 4:55 PM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com wrote: > > I've been interested in the idea of liquid-liquid oil coolers for a > > long time, but haven't been willing to pay the rather high prices for > > 'conventional' solutions. In recent years quite a few cars have > > started using oil/water exchangers, and I've bookmarked several that > > look like they have potential in both heat handling and adaptability. > > This one looks like it might be as easy as any to adapt, and it > > includes a filter mount, to boot. It's used on vehicles with around > > 280 HP, so it might be able to handle a 13B/Renesis' heat load (with > > larger radiator, of course). Looks like it could mount to an adapter > > made from flat aluminum plate with the exception of one port. > > > > Might have potential to eliminate a cooling duct, and get rid of the > > topside bump of the filter on the older Renesis blocks. > > > > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BY82QT7J > > > > Charlie > > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > --000000000000a06051060816df96 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry for the late reply; been a bit distracted the last few = days. I really don't know about the continuous thing, but that particul= ar item=C2=A0was for a US-brand vehicle, and 'word on the street' a= bout engine testing at major car mfgrs these days is that it's far more= abusive than anything we could likely achieve in a/c. One test (just one o= f many) that's been mentioned is running for hundreds of hours, alterna= ting between max power and max torque, stopping only for oil changes at the= 'book' interval.

Charlie

Of course, dumpi= ng that oil heat load into the water means a significantly bigger water rad= iator would be required.=C2=A0

On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 1:39=E2=80=AFPM= Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon= .net <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net> wrote:
How much heat ( % ) of total is normally rejected for a piston = engine?
You say rated for 280HP. Is that 280HP continuous?

Finn

On 10/15/2023 4:55 PM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com wrote:
> I've been interested in the idea of liquid-liquid oil coolers for = a
> long time, but haven't been willing to pay the rather high prices = for
> 'conventional' solutions. In recent years quite a few cars hav= e
> started using oil/water exchangers, and I've bookmarked several th= at
> look like they have potential in both heat handling and adaptability.= =C2=A0
> This one looks like it might be as easy as any to adapt, and it
> includes a filter mount, to boot. It's used on vehicles with aroun= d
> 280 HP, so it might be able to handle a 13B/Renesis' heat load (wi= th
> larger radiator, of course). Looks like it could mount to an adapter <= br> > made from flat aluminum plate with the exception of one port.
>
> Might have potential to eliminate a cooling duct, and get rid of the <= br> > topside bump of the filter on the older Renesis blocks.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BY82QT7J
>
> Charlie
>


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