Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #63625
From: Steven W. Boese <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] oil flow
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 05:00:20 +0000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Andrew,


Turning the engine by hand and collecting the oil delivered by the pump gave:

1986 13B: 426 revolutions per gallon or 11.7 gal/min at 5000 rpm

2010 Renesis: 392 revolutions per gallon or 12.7 gal/min at 5000 rpm.


I haven't tested a pre-2009 Renesis.


As long as you are not using a restrictive oil cooler like those from a stock 13B, the oil will not be returned to the sump by the front OCV during normal operation.  All the oil will go through the cooler and the cooled oil will either pass through the bearings and EC shaft jets or be returned to the sump by the rear iron oil pressure relief valve.


It would be good to verify that your oil cooler is not restrictive.  If you want more oil passing through the bearings and jets, you could possibly run higher oil pressure by using a higher pressure rear iron relief valve.


Steve Boese


From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> on behalf of Andrew Martin <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 10:13:52 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] oil flow
 
Has anyone ever had a flow transducer in the oil circuit? If so, what was the peak flow?
Does anyone know the cc/rev specs and gearing ratio of the oil pump?
If there was past discussion on this on the list please let me know, but as yet I have not been able to find anything.

Bit of background, Steve Boese's oil cooler experiments from a few years back has helped me much but got me searching more for the effect of oil flow on heat rejection in the entire system.

My temps are much better on the ground now that I've relocated the heat exchangers, but I am reluctant to fly again until I know I can get to a decent altitude before encountering max temps.

I dont think flow of oil through an engine built with tight specs would change appreciably from idle to max rpm, but flow through the OCV will rise sharply.  My engine is a 2004 Renesis with a front cover OCV. I think I could get much better control of the oil temp if I could get higher flow through the cooler. I think its all about controlling the average deltaT. so a tighter engine is going to need much higher deltaT through the cooler as flow will be lower.

There are probably many ways that would give me a solution.
  • less oil restriction in engine (should have modified those eccentric oil jets). this may be the best solution but I don't really want to open the engine again just yet.
  • I could put an external OCV set at lower pressure than front cover OCV inline after heat exchanger, more oil is being cooled.
  • A bigger heat exchanger would also do the job, but I don't think its the best solution as its just a guess on how big to go.
  • What I might do is. plumb in a lower pressure or adjustable OCV and solenoid valve in series on oil "out" port on engine, dump oil into a extra heat exchanger then back to sump. with solenoid off, oil flows as it does now, with it on = extra cooling on demand, basically all that happens is oil that would be returned straight back to sump is diverted to a cooler, engine would just see the slightly lower pressure from the second OCV.
My theory is that Oil pressure is nice to know but kind of meaningless. Its possible to have high pressure but flow going to the wrong place (sump), which is not good. Pump is fixed displacement so oil has to go somewhere. Ultimately, Maybe an engine with lower pressure due to less restriction within the rotating parts is probably best as it results in higher flow oil to where its needed.

Any thoughts
Cheers  Andrew




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