X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Neil Unger" Received: from mail-pg0-f53.google.com ([74.125.83.53] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2c3) with ESMTPS id 9952416 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:07:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.83.53; envelope-from=12348ung@gmail.com Received: by mail-pg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id v190so103587207pgv.2 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:07:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language; bh=KXiRkY+KqtVgSKoBBb/9iDI3c3UADSwxA2rMGh59ODw=; b=iszm052GQoSM78S9i+l56eFgq9ZAKur6uul+ViqOtX24NusRcmD6YpMXpcVKF663+B gVMu6+FFDIrLaxJoyJ+DWL4UQueNyh/TxM4Ny9LT+IThMpX+VuYL5H4xi6XzkmgwNwvf 3bbZ0yhkj8o6jm+LCywfT2/kNxmWVtsQakt2n0l5IJ1hIlxTiiMwtf0Vr6asRok/Hapq 60xod+sHRK90qoi9hxtgG55Ms++2jT4YDI7DjRS7J0YoVZeOU5UDxpUN8vkgWKr6V8DK HxHWIgoODLw4LwprUgWab2zTiNVXqFfBm8QzQ8TMvJgkQ8In1glCZg247H28E+CKBZRj lgyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=KXiRkY+KqtVgSKoBBb/9iDI3c3UADSwxA2rMGh59ODw=; b=Wn06xy2roe9klgHI6xS8wobzTkPkKHtNHXgzkaPgsp13t6mL3I/Enr1PL8wV8hHVmZ fILE18BmW74UmS1SPmbDJGYymmvdPNdq8qUuOfigsFHUxrGMyy3N/+y28OqhAd50y3ou pADm7quo4QPekB/0bNNjY3NqD0C/HIO/BFS1NAEuSdC32IYuJzfy38ExtihvqVBxIXUb FfgLIGmhKphVtCLRfBzVOU82QLEEtHS5R6B/kW/DiMWd/5s7Op/5D+O2KUehnQOWMlHh gsSxjhTW48ujb+d4LGsHV+Ryu3LLtdj9MzaEDQq5Wh/aMvnkPFrDvYTYmsCaoLc6h7wL O7+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112fMzgdkPzu2p4UhCwdYTR5u909EeHOgzJqqC39+b6r4LKhfqOQ XM/zGvPbPImb7FQESI8= X-Received: by 10.84.217.211 with SMTP id d19mr6009861plj.121.1501196841984; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <12348ung@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([103.198.24.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f24sm37106490pff.74.2017.07.27.16.07.19 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: fuel consumption gauge To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 09:06:18 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C1DDD302CC4A0DDBD2EA20F1" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C1DDD302CC4A0DDBD2EA20F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew, I am told the NZ distributor is cheaper and knows his stuff. Will enquire and advise. Did have the MGL engine monitor, but removed that and replaced that and the microtech ECU with a fuel tech ECU and monitor. AS always that was not smooth sailing, but finally success and the Fuel Tech is now brilliant, but far too many "extras" which keeps the price up. Neil. On 7/28/2017 8:13 AM, Andrew Martin wrote: > Neil. Chapter 10.6 on page 23 > http://lightflying.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Vega-FF-4.pdf > I like and use MGL equipment as it is good and customisable. But the > local dealer could be better. Manufacturer at > http://www.mglavionics.co.za/contact.html let them know of your > experience, other dealers will ship international but Aus dealer > prices fair if you just get what you need. > Andrew > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 at 5:31 am, Neil Unger > > wrote: > > Interesting! I dealt with the Oz rep and was not impressed at > all. No real knowledge when it came to the finer points. Do they > have the manual on the web site? Neil. > > > On 7/27/2017 8:51 PM, Andrew Martin wrote: >> Thats the trouble when dimwits don't know the equipment they're >> selling, you get told you need something you actually dont. >> That FF-4 unit definately works coupled to the injectors. Should >> only cost $388 inc gst and postage as thats what it is listed as. >> Listed on manufacturers website for R2377.00 which converts to >> AUD229.00, so dealer has a fair margin. >> >> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 at 5:15 pm, Neil Unger >> > > wrote: >> >> Thanks Andrew, but the sly sods want 2 flow meters as well >> for the low price of $1200 All up plus fittings, say $1500. >> Neil. >> >> >> On 7/27/2017 9:34 AM, Andrew Martin wrote: >>> Neil. >>> >>> Done the google search for you, available in Aus $388.00 >>> http://lightflying.com.au/vega-singles/ >>> likely to be other makes available also, >>> >>> Mgl say they are now open source, so completely configurable >>> if your so inclined. or just use as is. worked for me. >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Andrew Martin >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Neil, lots of options out there, both Tracy's & Ed's >>> engine monitors will do what you want. MGL Vega single >>> FF-4 would be a good option also. >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:58 AM, Neil Unger >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Gents, Is anyone aware of a fuel consumption gauge >>> that will give fuel consumption in real time? I can >>> get one that has two flow meters but that makes >>> installation complicated and not really cost >>> effective. I am looking for something that works >>> off the injectors. As usual it has to be "tweaked" >>> with actual fuel usage. Did not Tracy have such a >>> system? Neil. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: >>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.htm >>> >>> > -- > Regards Andrew Martin Martin Ag --------------C1DDD302CC4A0DDBD2EA20F1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Andrew,  I am told the NZ distributor is cheaper and knows his stuff.  Will enquire and advise.   Did have the MGL engine monitor, but removed that and replaced that and the microtech ECU with a fuel tech ECU and monitor.  AS always that was not smooth sailing, but finally success and the Fuel Tech  is now brilliant, but far too many "extras" which keeps the price up.  Neil.


On 7/28/2017 8:13 AM, Andrew Martin wrote:
I like and use MGL equipment as it is good and customisable. But the local dealer could be better. Manufacturer at http://www.mglavionics.co.za/contact.html let them know of your experience,  other dealers will ship international but Aus dealer prices fair if you just get what you need.
Andrew

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 at 5:31 am, Neil Unger <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Interesting!  I dealt with the Oz rep and was not impressed at all.  No real knowledge when it came to the finer points.  Do they have the manual on the web site?  Neil.


On 7/27/2017 8:51 PM, Andrew Martin wrote:
Thats the trouble when dimwits don't know the equipment they're selling, you get told you need something you actually dont.
That FF-4 unit definately works coupled to the injectors. Should only cost $388 inc gst and postage as thats what it is listed as. Listed on manufacturers website for R2377.00 which converts to AUD229.00, so dealer has a fair margin. 

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 at 5:15 pm, Neil Unger <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Thanks Andrew, but the sly sods want 2 flow meters as well for the low price of  $1200 All up plus fittings, say $1500.  Neil.


On 7/27/2017 9:34 AM, Andrew Martin wrote:
Neil.

Done the google search for you, available in Aus $388.00 http://lightflying.com.au/vega-singles/
likely to be other makes available also,

Mgl say they are now open source, so completely configurable if your so inclined. or just use as is. worked for me.

Andrew




On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Andrew Martin <andrew@martinag.com.au> wrote:
Neil, lots of options out there, both Tracy's & Ed's engine monitors will do what you want. MGL Vega single FF-4 would be a good option also.

Andrew
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:58 AM, Neil Unger <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Gents,  Is anyone aware of a fuel consumption  gauge that will give fuel consumption in real time?  I can get one that has two flow meters but that makes installation complicated and not really cost effective.  I am looking for something that works off the injectors.  As usual it has to be "tweaked" with actual fuel usage.  Did not Tracy have such a system?  Neil.


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