Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #63485
From: Charlie England <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Flywheel or Spline modification
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:09:20 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Additional thought (or question...). With most soft coupling designs, if the soft part fails, the hard parts can rattle against each other but motive force is still transmitted, at least for some time (hopefully long enough to get back on the ground safely). What happens with your design if the soft part does fail? (Failure analysis shouldn't assume no failure; it should ask about the results of a failure.)

Please know that we're all grateful someone is trying to make drives available. I'm hoping that I'm giving constructive feedback; not criticism.

Charlie

On 6/23/2017 11:55 AM, Charlie England wrote:
Isn't that average torque? The pulses are nowhere near as bad as a piston engine, but peaks are significantly higher than average. I can't help but think that if soft couplings worked at shaft diameter, we'd see a lot more of them in production use (I haven't).

But I'm not creating things, I just assemble others' stuff. :-)

On 6/22/2017 11:23 PM, Neil Unger wrote:

Charlie, the torque from the engine is something like 280 Ft/ Lbs from memory.  This coupling was tested at 400 ft / lbs with just a slight movement.  Time will tell who is right.  Neil.


On 6/23/2017 12:46 PM, Charlie England wrote:
Uh, not that I know anything, but if I did, I'd say I see your problem. :-) Isn't the stress on a soft coupling that close to the 'axle' going to be massive? I thought that the whole reason for putting the soft components out at some significant radius from center was to reduce the load on them.

Charlie

On 6/22/2017 8:50 PM, Neil Unger wrote:

All , As usual I forgot to attach a photo,  This is the first one with the green Polyurethane flex that was a failure.  New one has a further lightened Alloy base with a rubber flex.  Neil.


On 6/23/2017 11:40 AM, Neil Unger wrote:

Kelly and all,  The flexdrive I now have under test for the new redrive bolts directly onto the E shaft and is not connected in any way to the flex plate, other than to hold it onto the E shaft.  I originally used polyurethane as the "Flex" but it disintegrated within hours.

Next was to go back to a flex rubber vulcanized coupling that looks great but yet untested.  The rubber is the same as engine mount rubber and if that fails there are many grades of rubber available.   Results shortly once I get my new Fuel Tech ECU to actually run the engine!!  Neil Unger.



On 6/23/2017 11:15 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:
Mark,

   The RD2C  direct  "Rigid" connection from flywheel to the Redrive is somewhat a mystery to me and I suspect to most on the "Flyrotary" list.........I have never seen any photos of this setup and only vague descriptions.........I  do not know if any on 
the list purchased A RD2C and am aware of only the one installed on Tracy's RV8.........
  
   If any on the list has more knowledge or actually has seen one please speak up and provide photos if possible.........I personally have gone with the a (13 lb) steel flywheel and the"Soft" damper provided with the RD1C by Tracy......This is the "Fix" for a failed Gen 2 flex-plate used by Dave Leonard on his Turbo/13B RV6 while racing at Reno..........

Kelly Troyer


On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Mark McClure <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
So with my inability to find a gen2 RX-7 flexplate I have ordered a lightweight steel Flywheel from RacingBeat.

My thoughts are to have the 4 bolt holes machined in the flexplate or 6 holes in the spline and drill out the rivets to remove the damper plate.

From reading the archives it seems the spline directly mounted is what Tracy did for the RD-2C but that it's a different spline setup.

Anyone done this? Am I better to continue searching for the auto flexplate?

Mark









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