X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Todd Bartrim" Received: from mail-qt0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2c3) with ESMTPS id 9841963 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 14:59:45 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.172; envelope-from=bartrim@gmail.com Received: by mail-qt0-f172.google.com with SMTP id i2so16791746qta.3 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:59:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=847pZkgvwIvRSCGvWxGlYweP0Wfpcr6B84mDYh2Rn2U=; b=p8seXZTe6CV//EFppkJM5D0ZtQieCDnsxWwnBYJdjAYpOndwzE1A+of7D0JEviayQk RvORIGIBrErVokxZkT5xdq76bG3cMObuwW2wkOVmVNzKy7EFJ0oIzF0e0+u5s1Pe2h8/ X01S4qYI1RcAwqXUHmjWeMWZ4XiJ3Q0beLOyJLwrb18ExO8PInCFiV1lEavkobxgsMTU PBb9bKER1WrZUnaqLpxTkS+a8C5uZmjiWPtPLkIkoAN3Ui4cLpv4qO6c1+q/bQ4Ydzi2 LNdWYI9q+BVaRsYq+u6OOcCou2q6AG6CSa0Gg5kl3M9Z/LT3ywxZqwF8wmab5oIWvaXb 6usw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=847pZkgvwIvRSCGvWxGlYweP0Wfpcr6B84mDYh2Rn2U=; b=No1nUE1081cxtfZVk/cIhmg7A6x/yCs+mXft9Nlo+xvJs2GUD5oZ5GHN8FHaWs8sPQ o5Lho1qgtLPU6AxhjTXL76f42WJMiKv6Fgai3A5G5oyvOjvYlN6MT1Cr6wmEVyQTLN1s gv1qEkGqondCklkZD8ruEoo6vUOkbiRd8WOONRG1yuv1+JryNa9qDvMVScCZnG6Ya5in 1DJq/J/qbA0fXj1tEZ+7FtEfefepylSaBq7vIBOmtMy8QfBXFyqsrQOhPetObTWSjdPG O9wprTBWyCJk94wAHZEo0Nb9E/o7dPvSDT0YYB8/UxHjJ9W3Lup2nsclsTbFIA/Sgk4z dfMQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOw4b81eYqzSh/0MzffBmW6YiNo2MG8cFk5mKCW7D4autZkTnfZr SR6k8m480IuqG8xFuiPrzjPHvJvxFw== X-Received: by 10.237.56.4 with SMTP id j4mr42633313qte.78.1498071568349; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:59:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.168.236 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:59:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:59:27 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1137289aadfed705527cf7f3" --001a1137289aadfed705527cf7f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Somebody on this list was raving about how good the PLX wideband monitor was so I bought one and I really am impressed. I've only had a limited amount of use with it yet, but it really is impressive. It also has a 0-1v or 0-5v auxiliary output which is input to your EM2 for display and tuning purposes (I have an original EM2 which is 0-1v only). It's response seems much smoother and stable, which I may be mistaken, but it seems to have helped the autotune capability as well. Todd Bartrim On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 11:03 AM, hoursaway1 wrote: > We do have the constant speed modual, have not worked with it yet, & yes > the prop/motor/switches are set up for op. but had a intermittent eng. > computer problem for a while had to sort out, got it pegged & by-passed b= ut > not repaired yet. Also stuck on grnd. for last 6 mths. shoulder surgery, > getting back up to speed now. Ready to install & try the w i d e b a = n > d O2 sensor/gauge for fine tuning the EC2. David & yes that sounds > better 2.17:1. > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Todd Bartrim" > *To: *"Rotary motors in aircraft" > *Sent: *Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:25:35 PM > > *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects > > Thanks Dave; > You have the same redrive as you, which is 2.17:1. Actually mine was a > RD-1A but as I ended up with the turbo, I changed the planet gear set to = a > six, so its now equivalent to a RD-1B. > Anyways I'm pleased to see those numbers with the deep pitch IVO. When = I > bought mine, the IVO was getting bad press for hitting a wall around 140 > kts. But It was a very affordable way to put a variable pitch fan up fron= t > to keep me cool. The most I ever saw in level flight was about 150 kts. A= nd > that was pushing hard. I knew the deep pitch must be better, but you are > the first to confirm that for me. > They used to be a real love-em or hate-em kinda prop. I'll never say > they are the best, but if you can get the performance you are looking for > out of them, then they are great value for the money. > I did enjoy a 300' take off and a 2400'/min climb and that was not > anywhere near to the bottom end of the pitch range, so I'm hoping that I'= ll > still have that with the new blades. > You say your's is in-flight adjustable but that you are still using > take-off pitch? Do you not have the pitch motor set-up yet? Have you boug= ht > their electronic constant-speed governor? > > I sure am looking forward to attending a rotary fly-in with a bunch of > folks like you and have our cowls off, comparing ideas. I really don't ha= ve > much interest in the big fly-ins with all the snobs and their quick-build= , > builder assist, Lyc powered testaments to their excess disposable income.= . > I'd rather drink beer with hairy chested heroes..... > > Todd > C-FSTB > 13Bturbo > > Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe, and > enthusiastically act upon... must inevitably come to pass... > > Todd Bartrim > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:01 AM, hoursaway1 > wrote: > >> If you get the blades with the alum. inserts at the mounting bolt area I >> think you get a higher torque of 1/2" bolts, more secure, better fit. D= avid >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Todd Bartrim" >> *To: *"Rotary motors in aircraft" >> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:00:29 AM >> *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects >> >> Hi Dave; >> I thought that you were using an IVO. I've got the 30"-90"=C3=9776"Mag= num >> and I never saw numbers like that. I knew I should have cut it down but = I >> also knew that one day I would order new blades for it which I did about= 5 >> weeks ago. So I'll be looking to sell the blades only and I figure they = may >> be hard to sell without the hub but as they are still full length they h= ave >> a better chance of being bought by someone looking for replacement blade= s. >> I'm looking forward to flying behind the deep pitch version. >> What reduction ratio are you running? >> >> Todd >> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 21:05 hoursaway1, >> wrote: >> >>> Ivoprop 45 deg. to 105 deg. pitch, 68" three blade, in-flight adjust. >>> David >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Todd Bartrim" >>> *To: *"Rotary motors in aircraft" >>> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 1:34:39 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects >>> >>> Hey David; >>> What prop are using there? >>> >>> Todd >>> Dreaming with my eyes wide open.... >>> >>> Todd Bartrim >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:32 PM, hoursaway1 >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Good write Todd, you know Lynn,,,,,,we race planes to & Rotarys are >>>> FAST.. David RV6A Rotary 3000 ft 80F at altitude above airport patter= n >>>> making oval patterns wide open throttle prop still pitched for takeoff= no >>>> gear fairings yet,,,,,,176 kts ind. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Todd Bartrim" >>>> *To: *"Rotary motors in aircraft" >>>> *Sent: *Saturday, June 17, 2017 1:56:41 PM >>>> *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects >>>> >>>> Do something everyday. That advice was given to me long ago when I >>>> originally began my project. One little job (or big job) everyday and >>>> eventually there will be nothing left to do but take It to the airport= . >>>> Now this might sound oversimplified just like the whole "journey of = a >>>> thousand miles" thing, >>>> But what I believe is the key to this is that if you do something >>>> everyday then the details of the project are always kept in the forefr= ont >>>> of your mind and when you have a hour or two to work on it you don't w= aste >>>> time trying to think about where you left off or what you are going to= do >>>> next. >>>> For almost 12 years after I last flew my plane I was overwhelmed wit= h >>>> other projects and responsibilities that I allowed to fill my brain to= the >>>> point where when I would have a moment when I could consider working o= n the >>>> plane, I would find myself feeling overwhelmed and not knowing where t= o >>>> even start. So I didn't. Until finally I did. In the intervening years= I >>>> did keep a task list on my phone and continued to lurk on the list so = when >>>> various new ideas were brought up I would add them to the list for fut= ure >>>> consideration. The list grew to a very daunting size, to a point where= it >>>> was discouraging to realize that I had been flying this machine and so= mehow >>>> there had grown this almost insurmountable list of tasks to accomplish >>>> before returning to the skies. When I finally got back into it, I star= ted >>>> by just saying no to all the other jobs and favours that were consumin= g my >>>> time and space in the shop and then I spent an entire weekend not doin= g >>>> much more to the plane than familiarize myself with it and develop a m= ental >>>> state where I could recall the details of the many interrelated items = that >>>> make this thing defy gravity. This is necessary but wasted time that c= ould >>>> be avoided simply by doing something everyday then the details stay ea= sily >>>> accessible in the forefront of my mind instead of buried in the dusty >>>> recesses of my mind. And now that very long list has only a small numb= er of >>>> items without a checkmark beside them. >>>> When I started this project I was a relatively young man compared to >>>> all the old timers that seemed to dominate the airshows and getting an >>>> aviation medical was a simple formality. Now how the years have slippe= d by >>>> and I find myself facing next week's medical with apprehension. Althou= gh a >>>> little sore in the mornings from many previous injuries Im still very >>>> active and feel great, but I also realize that now that I've crossed t= hat >>>> half century mark, there are a long list of hidden ailments that could= be >>>> lurking unknown that would preclude the passing of a medical. And that >>>> would be truly heartbreaking to have wasted all these years not flying= this >>>> plane. >>>> Then all I could do is ramble on, offering unsolicited advice on >>>> forums... ;) >>>> Lyn, over the the years you have given us much great advice based on >>>> your years of racing experience. Now let me give you some. Go out to y= our >>>> shop and lower that plane to the ground and do something on it. Today.= And >>>> everyday. >>>> >>>> All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: b= ut >>>> the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their d= reams >>>> with open eyes, to make them possible. >>>> T. E. Lawrence >>>> >>>> Todd >>>> C-FSTB >>>> RV9 13Bturbo >>>> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 09:21 Kelly Troyer, >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lehanover >>>>> Jun 16 (1 day ago) >>>>> to Rotary >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The micron rating of the last chance filter would be the same as in >>>>> the car the injector came from or was used in. Find a filter with tha= t >>>>> micron rating (the one from the car) and cut it open. Lay out the pap= er or >>>>> wire media and measure the square inches. Double that number and buy = a >>>>> filter(s) that have that numberof square inches of media and AN fitti= ng >>>>> capability. >>>>> >>>>> There is no application for hose barb fittings on an airplane or a >>>>> race car. Change the filters at annual. >>>>> Sintered bronze elements can be plugged solid by a dose of water. I >>>>> would not use them. This is race car stuff. My BD-4 hangs from the c= eiling >>>>> unfinished. >>>>> Lynn E. Hanover >>>>> >>>>> Lynn, >>>>> >>>>> Do not think you are alone out there in "Project Unfinished >>>>> Land"...........I am still plugging away with my Dyke Delta JD2 with = the >>>>> hope of flying before death............At age 76 I still look forward= to >>>>> working on it...........Would rather die building than in the >>>>> recliner..............<:) >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Kelly Troyer >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > --001a1137289aadfed705527cf7f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Somebody on this list was raving about how good the PLX wi= deband monitor was so I bought one and I really am impressed. I've only= had a limited amount of use with it yet, but it really is impressive. It a= lso has a 0-1v or 0-5v auxiliary output which is input to your EM2 for disp= lay and tuning purposes (I have an original EM2 which is 0-1v only). It'= ;s response seems much smoother and stable, which I may be mistaken, but it= seems to have helped the autotune capability as well.

Todd Bartrim

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 11:03 AM, hoursaway1= <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
We do have the constant speed modual, have not worked wi= th it yet, & yes the prop/motor/switches are set up for op. but had a i= ntermittent eng. computer problem for a while had to sort out, got it pegge= d & by-passed but not repaired yet. Also stuck on grnd. for last 6 mths= . shoulder surgery, getting back up to speed now. Ready to install & tr= y the=C2=A0 =C2=A0w i d e=C2=A0 =C2=A0b a n d=C2=A0=C2=A0 O2 sensor/gauge f= or fine tuning the EC2. David=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0& yes that sounds= better 2.17:1.

From: "Todd Bartrim" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:25:35 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects

Thanks Dave;
=C2=A0 You have the same redrive as you, which is 2.17:1. Actually min= e was a RD-1A but as I ended up with the turbo, I changed the planet gear s= et to a six, so its now equivalent to a RD-1B.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 Anyways I'm pleased to see those numbers with the deep pitc= h IVO. When I bought mine, the IVO was getting bad press for hitting a wall= around 140 kts. But It was a very affordable way to put a variable pitch f= an up front to keep me cool. The most I ever saw in level flight was about = 150 kts. And that was pushing hard. I knew the deep pitch must be better, b= ut you are the first to confirm that for me.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0They used to be a real love-em or hate-em kinda prop. I&#= 39;ll never say they are the best, but if you can get the performance you a= re looking for out of them, then they are great value for the money.
=C2=A0 I did enjoy a 300' take off and a 2400'/min climb and t= hat was not anywhere near to the bottom end of the pitch range, so I'm = hoping that I'll still have that with the new blades.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0You say your's is in-flight adjustable but that you a= re still using take-off pitch? Do you not have the pitch motor set-up yet? = Have you bought their electronic constant-speed governor?
=C2=A0=C2=A0
I sure am looking forward to attending a rotary fly-in with a bunch of= folks like you and have our cowls off, comparing ideas. I really don't= have much interest in the big fly-ins with all the snobs and their quick-b= uild, builder assist, Lyc powered testaments to their excess disposable inc= ome.. I'd rather drink beer with hairy chested heroes.....

Todd
C-FSTB
13Bturbo

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desi= re, sincerely believe, and enthusiastically act upon... must inevitably com= e to pass...

Todd Bartrim

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:01 AM, hoursaway1 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
If you get the blades with the alum. inserts at the mounting bolt area= I think you get a higher torque of 1/2" bolts, more secure, better=C2= =A0fit.=C2=A0 David

From: "Todd Bartrim" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "= ;Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: = Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:00:29 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fo= rever Projects

Hi Dave;
=C2=A0 I thought that you were using an IVO. I&= #39;ve got the 30"-90"=C3=9776"Magnum=C2=A0 and I never saw = numbers like that. I knew I should have cut it down but I also knew that on= e day I would order new blades for it which I did about 5 weeks ago. So I&#= 39;ll be looking to sell the blades only and I figure they may be hard to s= ell without the hub but as they are still full length they have a better ch= ance of being bought by someone looking for replacement blades.
=C2=A0 I= 'm looking forward to flying behind the deep pitch version.
=C2=A0 W= hat reduction ratio are you running?

Todd


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 21:05 hoursaway1, <flyrotary@lancaironline.= net> wrote:
Ivoprop 45 deg. to 105 deg. pitch, 68" three blade, in-flight adj= ust.=C2=A0 David


From: "Todd Bartrim" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "= ;Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:34:39 AM

Subje= ct: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects

Hey David;
=C2=A0 What prop are using there?

Todd
Dreaming with my eyes wide open....

Todd Bartrim

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:32 PM, hoursaway1 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Good write Todd, you know Lynn,,,,,,we race planes to & Rotarys ar= e FAST.. David=C2=A0 RV6A Rotary 3000 ft 80F at altitude above airport patt= ern making oval patterns wide open throttle prop still pitched for takeoff = no gear fairings yet,,,,,,176 kts ind.

From: "Todd Bartrim" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 1:56:41 PM
Subje= ct: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects

Do something everyday. That advice was given to me long ago = when I originally began my project. One little job (or big job) everyday an= d eventually there will be nothing left to do but take It to the airport. <= br>=C2=A0 Now this might sound oversimplified just like the whole "jou= rney of a thousand miles" thing,
But what I believe is the key to t= his is that if you do something everyday then the details of the project ar= e always kept in the forefront of your mind and when you have a hour or two= to work on it you don't waste time trying to think about where you lef= t off or what you are going to do next.
=C2=A0 For almost 12 years after= I last flew my plane I was overwhelmed with other projects and responsibil= ities that I allowed to fill my brain to the point where when I would have = a moment when I could consider working on the plane, I would find myself fe= eling overwhelmed and not knowing where to even start. So I didn't. Unt= il finally I did. In the intervening years I did keep a task list on my pho= ne and continued to lurk on the list so when various new ideas were brought= up I would add them to the list for future consideration. The list grew to= a very daunting size, to a point where it was discouraging to realize that= I had been flying this machine and somehow there had grown this almost ins= urmountable list of tasks to accomplish before returning to the skies. When= I finally got back into it, I started by just saying no to all the other j= obs and favours that were consuming my time and space in the shop and then = I spent an entire weekend not doing much more to the plane than familiarize= myself with it and develop a mental state where I could recall the details= of the many interrelated items that make this thing defy gravity. This is = necessary but wasted time that could be avoided simply by doing something e= veryday then the details stay easily accessible in the forefront of my mind= instead of buried in the dusty recesses of my mind. And now that very long= list has only a small number of items without a checkmark beside them.
= =C2=A0 When I started this project I was a relatively young man compared to= all the old timers that seemed to dominate the airshows and getting an avi= ation medical was a simple formality. Now how the years have slipped by and= I find myself facing next week's medical with apprehension. Although a= little sore in the mornings from many previous injuries Im still very acti= ve and feel great, but I also realize that now that I've crossed that h= alf century mark, there are a long list of hidden ailments that could be lu= rking unknown that would preclude the passing of a medical. And that would = be truly heartbreaking to have wasted all these years not flying this plane= .
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Then all I could do is ramble on, offering un= solicited advice on forums... ;)
=C2=A0 Lyn, over the the years you have= given us much great advice based on your years of racing experience. Now l= et me give you some. Go out to your shop and lower that plane to the ground= and do something on it. Today. And everyday.

All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in = the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vani= ty: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on thei= r dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.
T. E. Lawrence

Todd
C-FSTB
RV9 13Bturbo

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 09:21 Kelly Troyer, <flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net> wrote:

Lehanover=

Jun 16 (1 day ago)=
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The micron rating of the last chance filter would be the same as in th= e car the injector came from or was used in. Find a filter with that micron= rating (the one from the car) and cut it open. Lay out the paper or wire m= edia and measure the square inches. Double that number and buy a filter(s) = that have that numberof square inches of media=C2=A0and AN fitting capabili= ty.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0There is no application for hose barb fittings on an airplane or= a race car. Change the filters at annual.
Sintered bronze elements can be plugged solid by a dose of water. I wo= uld not use them.=C2=A0 This is race car stuff. My BD-4 hangs from the ceil= ing unfinished.
Lynn E. Hanover

Lynn,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Do not think you are alone out there in "Project Un= finished Land"...........I am still plugging away with my Dyke Delta J= D2 with the hope of flying before death............At age 76 I still look f= orward to working on it...........Would rather die building than in the rec= liner..............<:)

Best Regards,
Kelly Troyer


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