X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Todd Bartrim" Received: from mail-qk0-f180.google.com ([209.85.220.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2c3) with ESMTPS id 9840185 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:25:54 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.180; envelope-from=bartrim@gmail.com Received: by mail-qk0-f180.google.com with SMTP id a199so71477521qkb.2 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:25:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=kOkRlkw9ugOj4xjausmhLWDfTRq08bt5PT6BlzljhOM=; b=Tvxz/YLPN0WNztIWZk5t1pc0HmM45XlQeaX1tdzWUzEKID99fKgcTaYsqGcKtqGsP+ KJpJN0h/QrPl/YiFgyUOExusrimkoOwA+i723y8uf+UR/sWjjXA5C12wO7NqREL5dxsQ Hnl3GAOqE0OrPnDaeh1I/0fEvQqx/WDXwWVA+WpvN8fEHF6TKHpLRhuVj2PqD/Ya5CRq pA5OU8ytbA9rhqqBh2UZGxIDHIwJpYbYre07139RVUKdgyeN4D+bu4EWURBiOb+zcsw+ 05cWLh7Pod+Ld2Ni104UplzJpMuDjhhbDJZK6eB9gRzqV7Sy3ihL0LH+JqQdwWFf3Wbz efig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=kOkRlkw9ugOj4xjausmhLWDfTRq08bt5PT6BlzljhOM=; b=X05yzyBLwlUu3CtDpQzuxCqrWsZc9uz2DjuBcxDkZ4tcUu5hM47ydqWu88gtW9PJQs GdecN2Fqeo66iKJAmuuLJzt3HExVS/99xkmZmhMrhEihPV8y7DMZtAqQcJxE2ML+lSSd 5XuNHCTjCe4madTU3EoGCeBeHzYcSsLdvVPVqWXYsS51XpkNkvgEAcIiR9o9FHNcZDTR LpKmo1PPMfRKtcGdHuxGDECTLS9eLKTr5uC4efaCqoUjEGT94x1UnFxOAh+UFRZLhvpC /TXfMKslRSH6toAvai1MBv94idsCmJ+BRoCLLkKuNYTgKHc+kWnc5gIr9gwo761FCed+ C0/A== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOylAw9UeNaHFOOYPM+XCaCJjzkbL+onbv+jsY1FV1uvwcjB0rWh DryVlNjcHHE7EZ5t0g0QGuSNyJlHVyg/ X-Received: by 10.55.55.6 with SMTP id e6mr36614197qka.72.1498008336305; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:25:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.168.236 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:25:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:25:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11490b62c194a605526e3ec5" --001a11490b62c194a605526e3ec5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Dave; You have the same redrive as you, which is 2.17:1. Actually mine was a RD-1A but as I ended up with the turbo, I changed the planet gear set to a six, so its now equivalent to a RD-1B. Anyways I'm pleased to see those numbers with the deep pitch IVO. When I bought mine, the IVO was getting bad press for hitting a wall around 140 kts. But It was a very affordable way to put a variable pitch fan up front to keep me cool. The most I ever saw in level flight was about 150 kts. And that was pushing hard. I knew the deep pitch must be better, but you are the first to confirm that for me. They used to be a real love-em or hate-em kinda prop. I'll never say they are the best, but if you can get the performance you are looking for out of them, then they are great value for the money. I did enjoy a 300' take off and a 2400'/min climb and that was not anywhere near to the bottom end of the pitch range, so I'm hoping that I'll still have that with the new blades. You say your's is in-flight adjustable but that you are still using take-off pitch? Do you not have the pitch motor set-up yet? Have you bought their electronic constant-speed governor? I sure am looking forward to attending a rotary fly-in with a bunch of folks like you and have our cowls off, comparing ideas. I really don't have much interest in the big fly-ins with all the snobs and their quick-build, builder assist, Lyc powered testaments to their excess disposable income.. I'd rather drink beer with hairy chested heroes..... Todd C-FSTB 13Bturbo Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe, and enthusiastically act upon... must inevitably come to pass... Todd Bartrim On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:01 AM, hoursaway1 wrote: > If you get the blades with the alum. inserts at the mounting bolt area I > think you get a higher torque of 1/2" bolts, more secure, better fit. Da= vid > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Todd Bartrim" > *To: *"Rotary motors in aircraft" > *Sent: *Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:00:29 AM > *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects > > Hi Dave; > I thought that you were using an IVO. I've got the 30"-90"=C3=9776"Magn= um > and I never saw numbers like that. I knew I should have cut it down but I > also knew that one day I would order new blades for it which I did about = 5 > weeks ago. So I'll be looking to sell the blades only and I figure they m= ay > be hard to sell without the hub but as they are still full length they ha= ve > a better chance of being bought by someone looking for replacement blades= . > I'm looking forward to flying behind the deep pitch version. > What reduction ratio are you running? > > Todd > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 21:05 hoursaway1, > wrote: > >> Ivoprop 45 deg. to 105 deg. pitch, 68" three blade, in-flight adjust. >> David >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Todd Bartrim" >> *To: *"Rotary motors in aircraft" >> *Sent: *Monday, June 19, 2017 1:34:39 AM >> >> *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects >> >> Hey David; >> What prop are using there? >> >> Todd >> Dreaming with my eyes wide open.... >> >> Todd Bartrim >> >> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:32 PM, hoursaway1 >> wrote: >> >>> Good write Todd, you know Lynn,,,,,,we race planes to & Rotarys are >>> FAST.. David RV6A Rotary 3000 ft 80F at altitude above airport pattern >>> making oval patterns wide open throttle prop still pitched for takeoff = no >>> gear fairings yet,,,,,,176 kts ind. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Todd Bartrim" >>> *To: *"Rotary motors in aircraft" >>> *Sent: *Saturday, June 17, 2017 1:56:41 PM >>> *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects >>> >>> Do something everyday. That advice was given to me long ago when I >>> originally began my project. One little job (or big job) everyday and >>> eventually there will be nothing left to do but take It to the airport. >>> Now this might sound oversimplified just like the whole "journey of a >>> thousand miles" thing, >>> But what I believe is the key to this is that if you do something >>> everyday then the details of the project are always kept in the forefro= nt >>> of your mind and when you have a hour or two to work on it you don't wa= ste >>> time trying to think about where you left off or what you are going to = do >>> next. >>> For almost 12 years after I last flew my plane I was overwhelmed with >>> other projects and responsibilities that I allowed to fill my brain to = the >>> point where when I would have a moment when I could consider working on= the >>> plane, I would find myself feeling overwhelmed and not knowing where to >>> even start. So I didn't. Until finally I did. In the intervening years = I >>> did keep a task list on my phone and continued to lurk on the list so w= hen >>> various new ideas were brought up I would add them to the list for futu= re >>> consideration. The list grew to a very daunting size, to a point where = it >>> was discouraging to realize that I had been flying this machine and som= ehow >>> there had grown this almost insurmountable list of tasks to accomplish >>> before returning to the skies. When I finally got back into it, I start= ed >>> by just saying no to all the other jobs and favours that were consuming= my >>> time and space in the shop and then I spent an entire weekend not doing >>> much more to the plane than familiarize myself with it and develop a me= ntal >>> state where I could recall the details of the many interrelated items t= hat >>> make this thing defy gravity. This is necessary but wasted time that co= uld >>> be avoided simply by doing something everyday then the details stay eas= ily >>> accessible in the forefront of my mind instead of buried in the dusty >>> recesses of my mind. And now that very long list has only a small numbe= r of >>> items without a checkmark beside them. >>> When I started this project I was a relatively young man compared to >>> all the old timers that seemed to dominate the airshows and getting an >>> aviation medical was a simple formality. Now how the years have slipped= by >>> and I find myself facing next week's medical with apprehension. Althoug= h a >>> little sore in the mornings from many previous injuries Im still very >>> active and feel great, but I also realize that now that I've crossed th= at >>> half century mark, there are a long list of hidden ailments that could = be >>> lurking unknown that would preclude the passing of a medical. And that >>> would be truly heartbreaking to have wasted all these years not flying = this >>> plane. >>> Then all I could do is ramble on, offering unsolicited advice on >>> forums... ;) >>> Lyn, over the the years you have given us much great advice based on >>> your years of racing experience. Now let me give you some. Go out to yo= ur >>> shop and lower that plane to the ground and do something on it. Today. = And >>> everyday. >>> >>> All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: bu= t >>> the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dr= eams >>> with open eyes, to make them possible. >>> T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> Todd >>> C-FSTB >>> RV9 13Bturbo >>> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 09:21 Kelly Troyer, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Lehanover >>>> Jun 16 (1 day ago) >>>> to Rotary >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The micron rating of the last chance filter would be the same as in th= e >>>> car the injector came from or was used in. Find a filter with that mic= ron >>>> rating (the one from the car) and cut it open. Lay out the paper or wi= re >>>> media and measure the square inches. Double that number and buy a filt= er(s) >>>> that have that numberof square inches of media and AN fitting capabili= ty. >>>> >>>> There is no application for hose barb fittings on an airplane or a >>>> race car. Change the filters at annual. >>>> Sintered bronze elements can be plugged solid by a dose of water. I >>>> would not use them. This is race car stuff. My BD-4 hangs from the ce= iling >>>> unfinished. >>>> Lynn E. Hanover >>>> >>>> Lynn, >>>> >>>> Do not think you are alone out there in "Project Unfinished >>>> Land"...........I am still plugging away with my Dyke Delta JD2 with t= he >>>> hope of flying before death............At age 76 I still look forward = to >>>> working on it...........Would rather die building than in the >>>> recliner..............<:) >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Kelly Troyer >>>> >>> >>> >> > --001a11490b62c194a605526e3ec5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Dave;
=C2=A0 You have the same redrive as you, = which is 2.17:1. Actually mine was a RD-1A but as I ended up with the turbo= , I changed the planet gear set to a six, so its now equivalent to a RD-1B.= =C2=A0
=C2=A0 Anyways I'm pleased to see those numbers with t= he deep pitch IVO. When I bought mine, the IVO was getting bad press for hi= tting a wall around 140 kts. But It was a very affordable way to put a vari= able pitch fan up front to keep me cool. The most I ever saw in level fligh= t was about 150 kts. And that was pushing hard. I knew the deep pitch must = be better, but you are the first to confirm that for me.=C2=A0
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0They used to be a real love-em or hate-em kinda prop. I'll= never say they are the best, but if you can get the performance you are lo= oking for out of them, then they are great value for the money.
= =C2=A0 I did enjoy a 300' take off and a 2400'/min climb and that w= as not anywhere near to the bottom end of the pitch range, so I'm hopin= g that I'll still have that with the new blades.
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0You say your's is in-flight adjustable but that you are still using = take-off pitch? Do you not have the pitch motor set-up yet? Have you bought= their electronic constant-speed governor?
=C2=A0=C2=A0
I sure am looking forward to attending a rotary fly-in with a bunch of fol= ks like you and have our cowls off, comparing ideas. I really don't hav= e much interest in the big fly-ins with all the snobs and their quick-build= , builder assist, Lyc powered testaments to their excess disposable income.= . I'd rather drink beer with hairy chested heroes.....

Todd
C-FSTB
13Bturbo

= Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, s= incerely believe, and enthusiastically act upon... must inevitably come to = pass...

=
Todd Bartrim

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:01 AM, hoursaway1= <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
If you get the blades with the alum. inserts at the moun= ting bolt area I think you get a higher torque of 1/2" bolts, more sec= ure, better=C2=A0fit.=C2=A0 David

From: "Todd Bartrim" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "= ;Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: = Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:00:29 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fo= rever Projects

Hi Dave;
=C2=A0 I thought that you were using an IVO. I&= #39;ve got the 30"-90"=C3=9776"Magnum=C2=A0 and I never saw = numbers like that. I knew I should have cut it down but I also knew that on= e day I would order new blades for it which I did about 5 weeks ago. So I&#= 39;ll be looking to sell the blades only and I figure they may be hard to s= ell without the hub but as they are still full length they have a better ch= ance of being bought by someone looking for replacement blades.
=C2=A0 I= 'm looking forward to flying behind the deep pitch version.
=C2=A0 W= hat reduction ratio are you running?

Todd


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 21:05 hoursaway1, <flyrotary@lancaironline.= net> wrote:
Ivoprop 45 deg. to 105 deg. pitch, 68" three blade, in-flight adj= ust.=C2=A0 David

=
From: "Todd Bartrim" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "= ;Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:34:39 AM

Subje= ct: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects

Hey David;=20
=C2=A0 What prop are using there?

Todd
Dreaming with my eyes wide open....

Todd Bartrim

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:32 PM, hoursaway1 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Good write Todd, you know Lynn,,,,,,we race planes to & Rotarys ar= e FAST.. David=C2=A0 RV6A Rotary 3000 ft 80F at altitude above airport patt= ern making oval patterns wide open throttle prop still pitched for takeoff = no gear fairings yet,,,,,,176 kts ind.

From: "Todd Bartrim" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 1:56:41 PM
Subje= ct: [FlyRotary] Re: Forever Projects

Do something everyday. That advice was given to me long ago = when I originally began my project. One little job (or big job) everyday an= d eventually there will be nothing left to do but take It to the airport. <= br>=C2=A0 Now this might sound oversimplified just like the whole "jou= rney of a thousand miles" thing,
But what I believe is the key to t= his is that if you do something everyday then the details of the project ar= e always kept in the forefront of your mind and when you have a hour or two= to work on it you don't waste time trying to think about where you lef= t off or what you are going to do next.
=C2=A0 For almost 12 years after= I last flew my plane I was overwhelmed with other projects and responsibil= ities that I allowed to fill my brain to the point where when I would have = a moment when I could consider working on the plane, I would find myself fe= eling overwhelmed and not knowing where to even start. So I didn't. Unt= il finally I did. In the intervening years I did keep a task list on my pho= ne and continued to lurk on the list so when various new ideas were brought= up I would add them to the list for future consideration. The list grew to= a very daunting size, to a point where it was discouraging to realize that= I had been flying this machine and somehow there had grown this almost ins= urmountable list of tasks to accomplish before returning to the skies. When= I finally got back into it, I started by just saying no to all the other j= obs and favours that were consuming my time and space in the shop and then = I spent an entire weekend not doing much more to the plane than familiarize= myself with it and develop a mental state where I could recall the details= of the many interrelated items that make this thing defy gravity. This is = necessary but wasted time that could be avoided simply by doing something e= veryday then the details stay easily accessible in the forefront of my mind= instead of buried in the dusty recesses of my mind. And now that very long= list has only a small number of items without a checkmark beside them.
= =C2=A0 When I started this project I was a relatively young man compared to= all the old timers that seemed to dominate the airshows and getting an avi= ation medical was a simple formality. Now how the years have slipped by and= I find myself facing next week's medical with apprehension. Although a= little sore in the mornings from many previous injuries Im still very acti= ve and feel great, but I also realize that now that I've crossed that h= alf century mark, there are a long list of hidden ailments that could be lu= rking unknown that would preclude the passing of a medical. And that would = be truly heartbreaking to have wasted all these years not flying this plane= .
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Then all I could do is ramble on, offering un= solicited advice on forums... ;)
=C2=A0 Lyn, over the the years you have= given us much great advice based on your years of racing experience. Now l= et me give you some. Go out to your shop and lower that plane to the ground= and do something on it. Today. And everyday.

All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in = the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vani= ty: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on thei= r dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.
T. E. Lawrence

Todd
C-FSTB
RV9 13Bturbo

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 09:21 Kelly Troyer, <flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net> wrote:

Lehanover
Jun 16= (1 day ago)=20
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The micron rating of the last chance filter would be the same as in th= e car the injector came from or was used in. Find a filter with that micron= rating (the one from the car) and cut it open. Lay out the paper or wire m= edia and measure the square inches. Double that number and buy a filter(s) = that have that numberof square inches of media=C2=A0and AN fitting capabili= ty.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0There is no application for hose barb fittings on an airplane or= a race car. Change the filters at annual.
Sintered bronze elements can be plugged solid by a dose of water. I wo= uld not use them.=C2=A0 This is race car stuff. My BD-4 hangs from the ceil= ing unfinished.
Lynn E. Hanover

Lynn,=20

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Do not think you are alone out there in "Project Un= finished Land"...........I am still plugging away with my Dyke Delta J= D2 with the hope of flying before death............At age 76 I still look f= orward to working on it...........Would rather die building than in the rec= liner..............<:)

Best Regards,
Kelly Troyer


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